Twilight you are super pretty and I would make out with you in a second

But you have to admit Rarity and Fluttershy are prettier

Sorry honey

>>23390158
Go ask the pervert ponyfags on here, not me.

Pic related, his face is prettier than your entire show.

derpy is prettier

keywords?

>the earth trembles when Celestia's feet touch down

>>23390200

>"Ed! Will you stop saging pony threads and get in here?!"
>"I'M GOING TO BEAT THEM THIS TIME, BEV. I CAN FEEL IT! I'M GOING TO BEAT THEM!"

>this episode

>>23390158
Twilight confirmed for silly filly

Twilight Sparkle was good until she gave up the scientific approach for bullshit superstition. Worst moral message, ever.

Nerdmon digivoleeeeeeeeeeeee innnnnnntoooooooooooooooooooo MANCHILDMON!!!!!!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://images.4channel.org/f/src/gameitems_Scene%202.swf

So bringing this up. If anyone can link up a better sound clip of Barney saying "IT BEGIIIIINS!!!" I'd really appreciate it.

sorry

So, does Twilight have Pyrokinesis?

So why exactly does Spike say "holy guacamole" when Celestia flies off at the end?

>mfw today's episode moral was "FUCKING MIRACLES"

Well, you're no Rarity...

you're pretty blurry

>>23390273
you do realize that the old thread hit image limit right? and that the general image still HAS NOT BEEN DELETED.

definitely slowpoking here but I just saw the episode and WE HAVE DERPY HOOVES IN FULL DERP MODE

>>23390273
shut up MLP Thread Nazi

>>23390286

Because the God Empress of Ponykind just fell out of the sky unannouced 2 feet from his face?

>>23390261
its not superstition when its all obviously true.

>>23390279
she has magic, isn't that enough on its own?

>>23390273
general thread hit max image replies and autosaging.
ahem. as i was saying..

Nice to see more Spike-time in this episode.

Also he runs on all fours instead of the usual biped stance..that's new i guess

>>23390286

God was just outside his window.

>MFW DERPY EYED DERPY AGAIN

>>23390158

Giggity Giggity.

>>23390279
of course. when the seals breack and the demon firefox in her heart is awoken, she'll destroy the world to create a new one. It is written.

>>23390261
The moral message was "know-it-alls don't know everything"

Why didn't she just teleport?

>>23390273
This is comics and cartoons therefore we are allowed to be here because it is a cartoon.

>>23390288
Pretty much... Bad episode was bad.

>>23390261
>Twilight Sparkle was good until she gave up the scientific approach for bullshit superstition. Worst moral message, ever.

yeah that's kind of a bullshit lesson

Sorry Twilight, but when I stare into Derpy's eyes, I always get so lost in them...

... but that's because I don't even know what way they're supposed to be going in the first place.

No keywords in OP's post.

New MLP General

>>23390319
>>23390319
>>23390319

Isn't she a lot smaller than she ought to be?

I never even pay attention to the morals at the end of an episode. It's like a few seconds of required E/I. Who gives a fuck.

>>23390344

this.

>>23390375
IT'S LUNA IN DISGUISE. LUNA IS INTERCEPTING COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN TWILIGHT AND CELESTIA.

Maybe if you would dress a little sluttier. You know, show off the goods.

Holy crap, this episode was just insane. I love MLP now more than I ever have.

inb4 feminist blog and atheists crying about the "fuck science" moral

lol expressions.

>>23390375

I think its wonky perspective, shes standing on the railing to the balcony twilight reads on in the back of the tree, spike is looking out the window on the side/front of the tree, so shes a bit farther away than she appears, just her hair makes it seem like shes standing right next to spike

>>23390344
>>23390344
>>23390344
>>23390344

So, has today's episode been uploaded somewhere yet? I don't live in America so I don't can't watch it on TV.

>>23390315
The moral was to believe in superstition and understanding is less important then believing. There were direct parallels to "psychics" and countless others who claim to have extra-sensory perception suddenly failing to demonstrate anything abnormal once under testable circumstances.
Putting the "power of faith and belief" as superior to science is a horrible thing to teach impressionable kids. We already have a bunch of new age hippy faggots selling cherokee hair tampons.

"Fucking Miracles" is really the best way to some up this crappy episode.

HOLY FUCK DERPY IS CANNON! THIS SI THE GREATEST THING EVER! LAUREN REALLY DOES LOVE US!

[b]Discussion - Feeling Pinkie keen[/b]
THERE! Watched last episode. It was okay i guess.

But honestly, is this where the show is going now? First the "natural remedy is best remedy" in Birdle gossip, then now this faith vs science theme?

Basically, the first half of this show is about Twilight being punished with physical violence because she has the audacity to question Pinkies "prophetic miracles". Then in the end, Pinkie says that the greatest "miracle" was to get her friend to "believe".

Strange change of character, i must say, as Twilight was the only one who belived in the original "prophesy" of Nightmare moon.

I's hope that this new spin on her role in the series will not persist, although I suspect we can expect to see her getting more comeuppances for her evil heretical dedication to the empirical approach in the future.

Yes, i'm an atheist. And YES I'm butthurt! Very! I don't mind religious people, but if it is so important to american parents that their children are outright afraid to question or try to discover explanations in fear of divine retribution, then i strongly suggest you move to an area where they still have the plague. What the FUCK!

is it a running joke that no one really listens to fluttershy becuase shes so quiet?

>>23390261
Whatever she did wasn't SCIENCE! She completely ignored evidence that didn't support her world view.

>>23390475

>don't can't

Wow I really herped there.

>>23390475
I second this question because of the same reasons.

so basically the frogs were doomed to be lunch so Fluttershy could get away

>>23390475

this

>>23390480
read
>>23390344
and calm the fuck down

>"A Dog and Pony Show" March 11, 2011
>Rarity is taken by a group of Diamond Dogs and is forced to find gems for them.
An average David Bowie album has kidnapped Rarity. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the OCD filly?

So did anyone else here derpy speak in this episode besides me?

DVRfags, go back and rewatch it.

It was "Gasp!"

>>23390344
Did you miss the rest of the episode where she gives up "trying to understand". It's all fucking miracles.

You did have some great reaction shots in this episode, though.

Cute safari hat, too.

>>23390359
Eh, I think it's more of a "be open-minded" lesson, Pinkie's predictions were pretty much proven to be true.

>>23390528
>A Dog and Pony Show
That sounds all kinds of wrong.

Where CAN I FINE EPISODE 15!

>>23390538
"Be opened minded" is a great lesson, but the way it was put across by contrasting it against observation, testing, etc. Is awful. Approach things with an open mind, but damnit you SHOULD work to understand it. Not just take it on faith.

>Derpy works as a mover, not a mailpony
>EVERYTHING I KNOW IS FUCKED

>Derpy is apparently canon.

Lauren Faust is a bro.

>>23390261
>Gave up the scientific approach

Um, no. If something is obviously and repeatedly proven to be true, denying it would be unscientific. Just because she doesn't understand the exact mechanics behind it yet doesn't mean it's not true.

Besides, it's a world with unicorns, pegasi, griffons, dragons, hydras, and fucking magic, Pinkie being able to predict the future in a limited fashion isn't so far-fetched.

>>23390357
>This episode
>Not fucking amazing

Butthurt, butthurt everywhere

This thread will never be archeived, everpony move over to the real new general:

>>23390319
>>23390319
>>23390319
>>23390319
>>23390319

>>23390583
>calling someone else gay for not liking an episode in a show about FUCKING PONIES
oh, my sides

Silly people. This episode isn't about God.

Pinkie: Hey Twilight, look! If I heat Mercuic Oxide, it produces a gas that I can put in a jar with a rat, and the rat survives for longer than if I put it in a jar full of air!

Twilight: Pinkie, my science cannot explain this. Clearly it must be wrong.

>>23390489

The Nightmare moon prophecy was more of an ancient historical fact, that somehow turned into a religious myth. Still there must have been a pretty big "leap of faith" for Twilight to begin with, as she seems almost entirely sure that the "prophecy" will come to pass.

>>23390489

if you really believe that, you need help. This wasn't faith vs science. This was trust vs know-it-allism. Twilight hardly represents real science, as her entire approach was flawed, she set out to disprove pinkie pie, rather than come up with an alternative hypothesis as to what was actually going on and attempt to prove that. This is a world where MAGIC IS REAL, Pinkie probably did have some kind of strange innate ability, but Twilight failed to find it because she was too busy attempting to disprove anything existed there at all. She was a BAD SCIENTIST.

>>23390669
You missed the end of the episode where she gives up trying to understand it. "Welp, fucking miracles"

>>23390603

>Implying anyone gives a fuck about you archive fags

Archive threads are full of the worst parts of this fanbase, I'll take this thread over that any day

>>23390711
I'm sorry, you must be new here.

>>23390489
Twilights always been stubborn.
The nightmare moon event was one she came to her own conclusion to based on things she was reading.

Pinkie Pies 6th sense was something someone else had told her so she didn't want to believe it without giving her own reason to reach that conclusion.

This episode is closer related to stubborn scientific communities that refused new theories only becuase it challenged the old ones. Like the fake orangutang skull planted in england to dispute African fossils, or Einstein's reluctance to accept the idea that the universe is expanding.

>>23390727
i think you should suck a dick

>>23390711

holy newfoal

>>23390747

DAMN SON

NATHAN GOT SCHOOLED

>>23390678
Apparently you don't understand what "peer review" is. It's a vital part of the scientific process where the main focus is to look for the flaws in the current explanation and she was attempting to formulate an alternative hypothesis by observing pinkie pie, but then was punished repeatedly by challenging the towns established belief that pinkie pie could predict the future. It was nothing but faith vs. science.

"Shut up, don't question or you'll get hurt, just believe the miracles". They threw it in your face with the "leap of faith" when being chased by the hydra.

>>23390747
lol, k

>>23390747
NEWFRIEND ALERT.

Because people don't understand something, doesn't mean it's supernatural.
I think the morale there was more about believing in your friend than believing in invisible bearded wizards.

The overall story of this episode was certainly better than the latest 2 at least. and it was well animated, with tons of exploitable reaction faces. It's far enough for me.

also, people, please calm down about lolderpy. the show was made and finished before the premiere aired. they aren't throwing you any bone there. at all.

Wow, guys. Wow.

I cannot fucking wait for a new episode for the SOLE REASON that I can't believe we've fucking devolved into religion-vs-atheism. Y'all niggaz need to chill the fuck out. Stop getting all victimized by a SHOW FOR LITTLE KIDS.

Just made a OC guys
Rate it!

>>23390727
>>23390752

I've been in pony threads since the pilot

>>23390727

Not the same guy, but I've been here since before episode 2.

As more and more people trip up to circlejerk over their fanfic masterpieces, the threads get less and less interesting; with less discussion or new OC in them and more reposting just for the sake of posting.

Once threads started to be archived, people started wanting attention for contributing to the threads that they didn't really care about when the threads would vanish shortly thereafter, and everything has ballooned out from there horribly. Now we have people popping in with their trips on to say HI I'M HERE WHAT'S UP GUYS instead of actually having anything to say about ponies or even any reason to have a trip.

The archive was the beginning of the downfall of these threads.

FUCK MLP

CHRISTIAN PROPAGANDA

FUCK THIS SHOW IM DONE

>mfw Twilight fans are atheists
>mfw when moral was ant-atheism

Seriously, that was awesome, enough with kid shows saying "HEY KIDS, LET'S DO SCIENCE" and telling that rainbows are anything but reflex, that's just depressing, i miss when magic was real, thanks Laureen for bringing it back on kids shows

>Christian Twilight
>not black Twilight

>>23390842
Celestia showed up exactly by the window right when spike was going to blow the letter twilight told him to write
>Celestia knew exactly what twilight was thinking
>Celestia is somewhat like a god.
>Celestia was the one who pulled tricks on twilight

mystery solved

>>23390785

I understand what peer review is. You apparently don't understand that this episode took place in a magical world of talking ponies and unicorn wizards. Twilight's problem was that Pinkie Pie's abilities did not fit into her understanding of how things worked, and she immediately assumed that it could not be. Nevermind that fully 1/3 of the pony population already possesses innate magical abilities, or that her own teacher is a perfect example of the fact they don't manifest exclusively in one kind of pony, in on any one way. Twilight was simply being an insufferable knowitall and the episode shit on her for it.

>>23390809
It's teaching little kids to just believe in the established superstitious traditions instead of questioning them, looking for new explanations. It's about the moral they're relaying to kids being a bad one.
>Everyone in town believes in superstition
>new comer questions it, and attempts to discover and research why they correlate
>new comer has shit beaten out of her until she gives up and declares the established superstition was right and she should just believe

>>23390842

Science is a thousand times more interesting than attributing things to miracles.

More kids need to start looking at the world through the eyes of a scientist.

How is predicting short term future events religious belief?

Animals can predict earthquakes all the time. We still don't know why. we don't make a religion around it.

people get aches in their joints when the pressure drops and it's about to rain. Do we bow before them and claim no other god of greater power.

Fuck you hypersensitive whiners crying to the government at ever T shape and colorful light that offends you.

People BELIEVE in life on other planets without proof. Is that religion? Is it religion to believe in parallel realities? or Time travel?

>>23390928
Unicorns have magical ability, not ponies.

This episode is complete bullshit.

>>23390489
How about this then...

Twilight nearly DIED because she trusted Pinkie Pie when she told her to make a "leap of faith". She survived, but only because of dumb luck. She thought that Pinkie Pie was using her ability, and hence trusted her blindly, Pinky Pie however, just thought she could make the jump.

That's religion for you.

>>23390973
That's fantastic. Now calm the fuck down.

>>23390980

Unicorns are a type of PONY in my little pony

>>23390839

Where in the HELL are you getting this religious message? Pinkie demonstrates that she has a "Wild Talent" (in the words of Charles Fort) which Twilight dismisses out of hand, despite the fact that other ponies accept it's existance out of experience. The message of this episode is that Twilight can be an arrogant ass, nothing more.

>>23390980

The full name for unicorns is 'Unicorn Ponies,' just like the full name for ponies is 'Earth Ponies.' They're all ponies.

>>23390822
>>23390825

You two are either fresh off of /b/, complete faggots, or both. The value of the archives is so other pony fans that can't get to the threads before they 404 (other timezones, work, etc) can enjoy the threads too.

>>23390953
Please... you watched the Zebra episode? Apple Bloom and Twilight tried to break the superstition, what today episode tried to say is there's some things in this world that just happens, no matter how scientific you are, it's a good moral in a world that celebrates "facts" and nothing more

So...does this make Robot Chicken's Apocalypse Pony cannon?

>>23391013

>state a point without aggression
>poker face while typing, no caps
>get told to calm down

did you misquote?

>>23391052
previously on hoarders.

>>23391017
Unicorns, Pegasus, and earth ponies. Only Unicorns have magical ability, which is stated directly in the show to be a disciplined practice, and discovery of their special talent. Hence why a unicorns magical ability is tailored specifically to their special talent.

>>23391052

Archives are not valueless, but they spawned all manner of faggotry. This is not something that can be denied.

Delicious butthurt from angsty atheists. I'm atheist myself, and I just don't give a fuck. Pro-faith messages don't belittle science, science doesn't need defending because science doesn't require belief. I liked this episode, definitely one of my favorites, you guys need to take the stick out of your ass.

>Pinkie Pie can predict miracles
>"Honk"
So how long before the entire cast is slaughtered?

>>23391065

>cannon

I've watched the Derpy clip like a dozen times now and i still dont believe it happened. It's the greastest thing ever.

ITT: people need to chill out and bear in mind that no show with more than 20 episodes per season is going to be able to avoid contradictory or poorly-implemented themes. The show's written by lots of different people, this just happened to be a lil' Christfaggy. It's not going to reflect any developing trend in the show.

Why do people keep saying this episode made Derpy cannon? Derpy was in episode 1.

>>23391052

Yeah, that doesn't really change the fact that generals eligible for archive are full of terrible fucking people.

They stick to the threads they know will be archived, so the point stands that "off the radar" threads are more enjoyable.

Been in pony threads since the pilot, been browsing /co/ for 2 years.

>More kids need to start looking at the world through the eyes of a scientist.

"hey kids remember all your dreams about flying and sleeping on the clouds looking up to the sky? Well it's impossible, lol"

That's a bad way to teaching anything to a kid, let the kids dream, of course you have to introduce science , but not in a brutal way like this

>>23391243
flying isn't impossible. jet packs have been invented. it is possible to sleep on floating clouds made of cotton in a skydiving machine.

I'm guessing Celestia was there to deal with the Hydra "problem".

That or she's been following Twilight from above for the entire episode, made all of the random events happen and was fucking with her.

>MAGIC DOESN'T EXIST
>Twilight drowns
>Pinkie Pie has a tumor
>Trixie becomes the main character

>>23391243
Teaching kids to explore and imagine is great, but teaching kids to "just believe" and that working against hardships (like falling anvils and pianos) to discover how something works is bad.

>>23391243
If they want to fly they can be pilots, how is that not exciting?

And they may not be able to sleep on clouds (which are pretty amazing to think about when you learn they are made up of water vapor floating around in the god damn sky) but just wait till you show them a viscous liquid that you can run across without sinking

>episode about inexplicable things
>FUCCCCCKING CHRISTFAAGS GODAMNIT!

it's like i'm really on /b/, also DURR HURR SCIENCE IN A PONY SHOW DURR HURR

>>23391055

The "zebra" episode was about prejudice and racism.

Also, Twilight could not cure them, because she dismissed "alternative medicines" as a possible cure, and tried to resolve her situation with her atrocious medical science.

/r/ing all the pics of rasta rarity and 80's pony

>>23391292
The Hydra was next to a small town with little to know defenses, outside the Everfree forest, and made an attempt on the life of one of her favorite students. He's now 400 pairs of leather boots and a tasteful shawl.

So the issue of twilight not teleporting and fluttershy not fluttering still seems to come up, someone last thread pointed out that fluttershy did fly to save rarity. Here's my take on that: when a pony's life is in imminent danger it's first instinct is to run like hell. For Rainbow Dash, flying would make sense, since Rainbow Dash is always flying, but flutteryshy often walks, as does twilight, so when the instinct to get out of there kicks in, they're pretty much locked into 'get out get out get out' mode, and not thinking very clearly about 'oh yeah, I have wings' or 'oh yeah, I can do some teleportation', they're just hoofing it. So why was fluttershy able to save rarity? Because fluttershy was perfectly safe; she'd already stopped herself and thus was able to focus clearly on someone else who was in danger.

>>23391065

*APONYCALYPSE

>>23391319
I agree, except that isn't what the episode was about. It was more about accepting that you're not going to get a proper explanation for everything.

The structural problem with the episode was that the ending didn't come about because of Twilight's attempts to explain the unexplainable, it happened because of one of Pinkie's premonitions. That was a problem with the writing, not the theme.

>>23390973

>mfw everything we wanted was made with science because we were inspired by in our dreams, and fantasies.

This whole Science vs. Faith discussion is moot. Because humans have become to dependent on science we now must explain away everything good/bad that will/has happen. I always find my faith questionable, but always have my faith for a brighter tomorrow.

>>23391408

We also dealt with this in the dragon episode that when there is a threat of death by giant monsters, Fluttershy can't fly.

Seriously. My Little Pony is all over /b/ and now /co/

Where did this faggotry come from all of a sudden?
Explain yourselves, this is gayer than Pokemon.

>>23390528
>Diamond Dogs
>Average
What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>23391338
I really hope that you don't have any kid at the moment, really...
>>23391319
How exactly "you have to believe" it's a bad moral? Sometimes, yes, you have to believe, it's not like the episode was lying or telling something despicable, sometimes on life we just have to jump and see what happens, it's a classic moral about the leap of faith, i'm surprised how people is reacting about it

>>23391055
The main thing that annoys me, and I probably could accept the episode if it didn't occur, was when twilight hooked pinkie pie up to the monitoring machine. This is something done VERY commonly to test psychics and those who claims to have powers over light, electricity, and any other amount of paranormal claims. Every single credible test has always failed to produce results. Just like within the episode where suddenly pinkie's predictions stopped. If something there would've happened without twilight being able to explain it, yes, then the moral is consistent.
But the moral here was no matter how hard you work, there are some things without explanation. Which was what the "wrap up letter" moral said. It's a BAD message.

The idea of discouraging people from being "know-it-alls" or approaching things with bias is a good message. This episode didn't really portray that.

>>23391480
>My Little Pony is all over /b/ and now /co/

major timeline error there.

>>23391480
The first 2 episodes made it seem like it was Sailor Moon with ponies so loads of people watched them. Then it turned out that it wasn't anything like that, but by then everybody fucking loved the ponies.

>>23390489
>But honestly, is this where the show is going now? First the "natural remedy is best remedy" in Birdle gossip, then now this faith vs science theme?
because plants mixed with other things have never had any sort of medical value or use as a remedy in any way shape or form, and obviously the ingredients which had been recorded and well measured out where just some pseudo-science bs, because everyone knows that aspirin is pulled out of thin air purely by acts of science and big metal factories.

You tryan' to be mad, there ain't no reasoning with that.

>My face when i heard the "SECRET BUTT FUN" after the show

>>23390572
She works for the Pony UPS equivalent (let's call it the Pony Express).

She delivers packages, it's pretty similar to mail delivery.

>>23391533

It's funny because of all of the people who were talking about how much more awesome FiM was because it was going to be about ponies going on adventures, unlike the old show.

The reason that it is funny is that most of FiM is not about ponies going on adventures, and almost all of Gen 1 my little pony is about magical adventures and evil wizards.

>>23390435
... what the hell is this post doing in this thread?

>>23391519
>>23391467

What the hell guys.

I guess I should feel sorry for you since you seem to think science is just some boring hullabaloo you sleep through in school. If you can't see how the world of science is full of discovery and imagination then I hope YOU don't have kids.

The last thing we need are more people running around arguing that religion is a better alternative because knowledge somehow sucks the life out of your precious miracles.

>>23391199
Because whenever she was in the show after that she had normal eyes. Watch the scene again. She has the derp expression again.

the moral is:
Magic aint gotta explain shit.

all other arguments are invalid.

>and made an attempt on the life of one of her favorite students.

It's just like Celestia to only care about Twilight

>People yelling about "faith vs. science"

I can see how you'd make that connection due to Twilight's repeated use of scientific materials and methods to try to explain Pinkie's sense, but that's not the moral. Really.

The moral was about Twilight's refusal to accept something that was proven multiple times and her general asshattery toward Pinkie because she was so sure of herself. In the end she accepted Pinkie's ability because it was correct so many times.

That's the difference between the Christianity vs. Science/Atheism debate. Pinkie's ability was actually shown to have correct predictions, as opposed to being a nonsensical faith in something because of tradition.

Agnosticfag here, I'll admit that some things in this Ep rubbed me the wrong way, but seriously. It's a show about ponies with magical powers and shit like that. It doesn't have to make sense in the real world. Twilight was just being dense.

I liked this episode.

>>23391528
so...

I believe in it = good moral
I don't believe in it = bad moral
?

Science speech is such a cliche ending, i'm glad Faust don't did that

>>23391657
This.

Was it particularly well done as a theme? Not really. Was it religious? Not at all.

>>23391465

How can you even say that?

Pinkies grand reveal was that her friend finally admitted that she "believed", not in her abilities, but rather in abandoning her principle of questioning.

And Twilight she choose to believe her powers because she thought that she could predict the Hydra. (Which is wrong.) -In the end she gave in to peer pressure, the Hydra coincidence and the threat of divine physical retribution.

Occam's razor:
Mrs.Faust is a creationist, and although she does not mind non-religious people, she feels the need to teach kids the dangers of exploration and curiosity, and that people that don't believe can be converted.

These fucking ponies has 4chan debating the scientific method in a (relativity) calm and rational manner?

WHAT IS GOING ON IN HERE!

>>23391737

Fucking miracles, bro.

>>23391609
Stop overreacting, nobody said that Science is stupid, we are just trying to say that science is NOT everything, and saying that to kids it's a good thing after all

>>23391609

I'm gonna build a steam powered computer
and you can't do nothing nothing nothing to stop me

>>23391786

But...

Science IS everything

>>23391737

>These fucking ponies has 4chan debating the scientific method in a (relativity) calm and rational manner?

>These fucking ponies has 4chan debating the scientific method

>ponies has 4chan debating

>has

A little to much wine in my system, I think.

>>23391725
>Mrs.Faust is a creationist, and although she does not mind non-religious people, she feels the need to teach kids the dangers of exploration and curiosity, and that people that don't believe can be converted.

>>23391816
>implying your computer isn't powered by electricity produced by turbines in a power plant that are driven by steam from water heating by burning fossil fuels.

>>23391725

Twilight finally believed because of the overwhelming evidence that EVERY TIME Pinkie predicted something, it happened. All she said was that she didn't understand how it worked. If one of Pinkie's predictions turned out to be false in the future, she might have reason to read more into it. Until then, there's no reason for her not to believe that Pinkie's power works.

Twilight was being a dumb bitch by saying, "Even though this power clearly works, it doesn't exist because I don't understand the mechanics behind it and I say so." In the end she admitted that it was more than likely that Pinkie's power is real.

>>23391816
mine is powered by shattered dreams

>>23391725

>Mrs.Faust is a creationist, and although she does not mind non-religious people, she feels the need to teach kids the dangers of exploration and curiosity, and that people that don't believe can be converted.

>>23391881

>implying my computer is already a fossil

>>23391657

I felt the message was that correlation cannot simply be discarded when causation is not imminently obvious, but to be fair I HIGHLY doubt that is what a child would get out of that episode or even what people who don't happen to think like me would get out of it. Death of the author, if they got a different message out of the episode than I did they are not inherently wrong.

>>23391937
good pic related bro
now I'm afraid of bees.....AGAIN

>>23391657

I can't tell you what the authorial intent was; fuck, I don't even watch this show, I just noticed the conversation on the main page and thought it looked interesting.

But I'll tell you this: the way you're describing Twilight is 100% the godless scientist strawman you see in creationist tracts all the time. They never do good science, but they're intended by the authors to represent the "flaws" of the discipline. They're always closed-minded and reject things that don't fit the "scientific" world-view. Meanwhile the religious answer is shown as being obvious truth and basically proven; the only reason the scientist character doesn't accept it is because they're a "know-it-all," and automatically assume that the supernatural is wrong.

So it sounds to me like this episode payed out all the old tropes of a fundamentalist conversion story. Intentional or not, that's why people are jumping to the "faith vs. science" interpretation; they've seen this story before.

>Mrs.Faust is a creationist, and although she does not mind non-religious people, she feels the need to teach kids the dangers of exploration and curiosity, and that people that don't believe can be converted.

Okay, what the Hell is going on here? Don't make me shoot!

>>23391725
THAT IS NOT HOW OCCAMS RAZOR WORKS

GOODNIGHT

>>23391786
You have just proven his assumption correct about "science being that boring thing you slept through in class."
Science is a tool of explanation, discovery, and wonder. This whole "the mystery is better then the explanation" is bull plop and only applies to supernatural schlop. In the natural sciences, how things work is infinitely more amazing then "fucking miracles" when you have some perspective of how these things came to be.

alright, here's the moral transcribed:

"I am happy to report that I now realize there are wonderful things in this world you just can't explain, but that doesn't necessarily make them any less true. It just means you have to choose* to believe in them, and sometimes it takes a friend to show you the way."
This word, 'choose' was emphasized by TS.

So while I believe the moral of the story was more 'believe in your friends', I have to admit that this wording may be upsetting for the possible religious undertones. Here's how I think about it:

The moral does not say believe in religion, it says that not everything has an explanation. This show's primary target audience consists of young chlidren who can ask parents all sorts of big questions (why is the sky blue? Where do babies come from? Why would anybody root for the Detroit Lions?) with hard answers that the parent might not know, or even if the parent does know the answer might be too complicated for the child to understand. This show is basically telling kids that it's alright to believe what your parents and friends tell you, even if it doesn't make sense at first.

(to be cont'd)

>>23392093
(cont'd)

And I'm perfectly alright with this; it's not this show's job to teach kids what to think or who to vote for. It's meant to entertain and poss along positive messages, like 'girls can also have all sorts of fantastic adventures' and 'sometimes friends believe in things that you might think sounds silly, but you shouldn't harass them about that and let a few beliefs get in the way of your friendship'.

And frankly, it's not like Twilight Sparkle hasn't seen for herself first-hand evidence that Pinkie Pie's sense is uncannily accurate - TS showed a healthy amount of doubt and only decided to go along with what she'd been observing the entire time kept happening. It's not like they can fit a full scientific review into this show, and frankly do you really want to see some pseudo scientific technobabble reason for why things work in Equestia? I watch this show for friendship, if I want to see scientific explanations for things that I know aren't real anyway (it's just a show), I'll watch Star Trek.

>>23391883

You missed the comment about the Hydra.
Pinkies strong reaction was not because Fluttershy was in danger, instead it was (perhaps) a premonition that Twilight was going to abandon her dedication to questioning.

Twilight THOUGHT that the premonition was concerning the hydra, and thus was convinced that Pinkies powers where actually working. They where however purely coincidental.

>>23392013

This man speaks truth.

Of COURSE the supernatural powers were obviously true. To your average theistfag, their religion is OBVIOUSLY true, and everyone else is so ignorant and narrow minded that they try to find other (wrong) explanations for it.

And of COURSE the grumpy old atheist gets converted at the end, because this is good, Christian fantasy.

>reading thread
>science vs. faith debates

Where are my ponies?...

>>23391975

That's what I thought the message was too. But in the end, it's a friggin' kids' show.

>>23392116

Yes, and that was the joke. And in the end, all it was was a joke.

The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be counter-intuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true.

"The universe is huge. In time and in space and in contents. So the good thing about the universe is extraordinary rare phenomena, happen every day."
Neil Degrasse Tyson

Science is amazing, and dare I say magical, when you begin to gain perspective on it.

The problem here is Twilight didn't follow the scientific method. Pinkie Pie demonstrated her ability repeatedly--at which point Twilight should have acknowledged it and investigated further, but instead went all "That's not how magic works."

THIS IS A SCIENCE THREAD NOW!

>>23392093
>>23392110
yeah I liked the choosing part of the moral as well.

But I just wish that every thing Pinkie Pie did didn't turn out to be true. Because the moral (to me) seemed like "even though it's silly, it's true."
I like it when there's a little ambiguity to stories with morals like these.

>>23392225
>>23392225
>>23392225
>>23392225

Exactly. Twilight wasn't wrong for "questioning," she was wrong for saying, "I don't understand this yet, so it's not true."

>>23392225

She did start observations to distinguish patterns though, until it nearly got her killed

/watch?v=uephBmkupvQ

If this doesn't inspire awe and wonder in your soul, you don't have one.

Science rules.

>>23392261

And basically doing everything in her power to DISPROVE Pinkie's theory, since she disliked it, instead of looking at the evidence.

>>23392238

DRAWFAGS!

I demand a Twilight Sparkle in place of the scientist in this pic!

>mfw I took the leap of faith to be a reference to Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade but no one else did

Glad I can still enjoy ponies without giving a fuck about the moral at the end. Since, y'know, I'm an adult who has already made up my mind on the given topic

Where is ep?

>>23390273
Old General is flooded by some HurtFAG, so this will served as temporal one until the Janitor/Moderator arrives

The correct theory:

Poorly-written episode. Very poorly-stated "moral lesson" at the end - hell, I'm a Christian and even I thought it didn't mesh with the rest of the episode or what I perceived to be the ACTUAL "moral lesson".

The guy who wrote it had not written an episode before. Let's give him a pass for the time being and move on with our lives.

My fucking face when Derpy was in full-on derp mode. Also, soapbox.
My fucking face.

>>23392289
twilight science is not science is a bunch of alchemy and weird stephen Hopkins fanaticism

>deal with it

>what if she exploded, and then exploded again?

>>23391480
>My Little Pony is all over /b/ and now /co/
>Implying it didn't start on /co/

I don't see the moral as a religious thing at all. I thought it was more of a "Don't over analyze everything. There isn't always an explanation and you can't always believe it, but with enough evidence and without a plainly obvious answer, sometime you can find that it might be true." Sure it can be applied to religion, but it's not talking specifically about religion in any way.

Also, Gummy will fuck your shit up. Check yourself, Spike.

Ponies and religion?
My head hurts.

>>23392327
>>23392327
don't worry brony by next week we get CMC and then Rarity with wings and then some more CMC and then Rarity again! being kidnaped by dogs or something, the point is this christ/atheistfag discussion will last less than a week

This episode was an episode with good jokes and gags, a poorly written moral, and a muddled ending.

But in the end it's a kid's cartoon, I watch it for cute-ass fuckin' ponies doing hilarious shit, and that's what I got.

This episode was awesome.

So...is the SUDDENLY CELESTIA thing going to be a running gag? I mean, I'm ok with that, but goddamn. Shouldn't she be doing something other than trolling Ponyville?

>>23392327


>Glad I can still enjoy ponies without giving a fuck about the moral at the end. Since, y'know, I'm an adult who has already made up my mind on the given topic

I believe the conversation here hinges on the fact that this is a show designed to be viewed by children. The worry that some here are expressing is not that you would have been swayed by this episode or even that they themselves were in any way affected, but rather that children might be.

Of course I believe that to be tripe, the same as saying that media causes violence or rape. Morals, beliefs, culture, etc. are taken from a child's immediate social network more than anything else.

I'm digressing, the rest of the conversation is just idle pedantry that has branched off into older, loosely related arguments. People want to have the debate about science and religion, so they will when given the opportunity.

>>23392432
>this christ/atheistfag discussion will last less than a week

Thank God

>>23392327
I got it.

Also, in the very beginning when Twilight said, "What in the wide, wide world of Equestria" I took it as a Blazing Saddles reference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTNJwRTjmJM&feature=player_detailpage#t=58s

based on pure appearance I would say twilight is more likely one of the prettiest.

Alright, I issue a challenge to everyone that asserts that Equestria must have scientific explanations for the shit that goes down.

Look at Twilight Sparkles hair closely. It doesn't make any sense.

>>23392401

Spontaneous pony combustion (SPC)
describes alleged cases of the burning of a living pony body without an apparent external source of ignition

science can't explain everything I guess

>>23392255
I get a kick of out Pinkie Pie being the most powerful force on Equestia, so I'm fine with it.

hey, ponyfags, I'm cool with the fact that you really like ponies, but can you at least try to not start multiple threads on the same board? y'know, there are only 15 pages...

HOLD THE FUCK UP DROP WHAT YOURE DOING DERPY IS A MOVER??!?!?!?!!!?!??!!?!??!

>>23392401
Can you do that? Can you explode twice?

Guys I've been on Isohunt and theres some Friendship Is Magic torrents, which are unrated and lack comments. They don't look legit.
Where do you get yours from?
Youtube is shit.

So simply by harnessing a pegasus to a terrestrial vehicle, it suddenly has no weight whatsoever and can in fact hover?

>>23392556
>Spontaneous Pony Combustion (SPC)
You have a lot of leisure time.

>>23392609
https://docs.google.com/document/d/14vEUmE4WgUjXhXT8elNTkvt6JpHUTm4-bFXvmhPoQNI/edit?hl=en&authk
ey=CKuAhdcF&pli=1#

One of the core rules in parapsychology is that when an unexplained phenomenon disappears under laboratory conditions, it is very likely to be a hoax.

My theory:
This whole episode was Dash and Pinkie trolling Twilight. And they trolled her good.
I choose to believe this.

>>23392624
yes.
What's so hard to understand about it?

I love Twilight episodes

>>23392624
They fly by magic anyway, I don''t see why it can't extend to attached objects.

i read there is references to previous episodes in this week one
what are those ?
i am still workin on my english so i dont catch some things
derpy and dire twilight was awesome

MY biggest problem with the episode was TS giving up to find an explanation of pinkie pie's ability. I think the moral they tried to tackle here was a complex one, which I do give credit to MLP for attempting being a kids show. The last few episodes had similar more complex morals.
Call of the Cutie mark was dealing with what is essentially puberty and finding one's place in the world. I think it was handled fantastically, hence why I disagree on it being a "weak" episode. Atleast in the moral. Though winter wrap-up also was about "finding one's place", Call of the Cutie Mark dealt with not needing to know it.
Suited for Success's moral was complex as well. One that I'm still torn on as there's more then one side to it. Though Rarity had the superior knowledge, skill, and taste to offer great dresses the other ponies weren't happy with them. When they were happy, other people scoffed so they changed their mind after peers disapproved. The flip side in this, and where the episodes intended moral focused was upon trusting one's friends expert abilities, especially when the intention is to show off her talents. There were a few other niggles I had in the mixed messages as well.

Now the conflicts in messaging in this episode I think is obvious by the debate happening now. People are taking two interpretations, and the flip side is one that is a pretty bad one "faith is better then skepticism". IF MLP is going to continue to tackle these more complicated moral messages within the show, they have to learn to do them in a way that doesn't appear to take stern stances against other messages that are important,
I.E. suited for successes peer pressure, and this episodes appearance to support superstitions validity.

>>23392609

>>23392678
when fluttershy gets ready to hop out of danger's way, she says to herself 'it's just a hop, skip, and jump', which is what pinkie pie sang to her to encourage her to jump across a gap in episode 7, dragonshy.

>>23392624
Maybe Fluttershy is just strong enough to keep it steady in the air like that. like holding, say, a chair in the air certain ways can keep it up.

Honestly, I have no idea and I don't care.

>>23391492
Compare it to Hunky Dory, Ziggy, Aladdin Sane, Station to Station, Low, "Heroes", Lodger, Scary Monsters, and Buddha of Suburbia and it's nothing special.

<--The moral of this episode.

See also:
http://www.geekosystem.com/bill-oreilly-cant-explain-that-meme/

>>23392734
Which was all sorts of amusing.
I'm also told there was another Blazing Saddles reference in there other than the 'wide world of Equestria' guote.

Seriously, where is the episode?

Hey guys, watching the new episode now and I know I'm late but DERPY AAASAS

>>23392734
ah ok
thanks

>>23392459
Naw, I get that. But honestly, the only people who have a good reason to worry about that are parents who let TV raise their kids. Paradoxically, they're also the kind of person who won't give a fuck until after the fact.

There's no reason for /co/ to really give a fuck about it. I assume the /co/mrades who are parents are responsible enough to not let a television show teach their kids everything. And I bet none of the people bitching about the vague religious undertones of the moral of today's episode are parents. Hell, I bet a few haven't even had their balls drop.

Point is, we should be talking about ponies. Have some Origional Content /co/, and remember we all got into ponies because of friendship.

I swear to fucking God, if the threads keep going the way they've been going in recent weeks I may just quit the internet side of the fandom and give my Mcdonalds ponies a Viking Funeral. Complete with nude immolation of a giant fucking boat

>>23392775
>What in the Wide World of Sports is going on here?

Faust and company seem to really adore that movie between this and rebuilding the town in Swarm of the Century.

>>23392606

Why not? If you choose to believe in it, of course you can suffer spontaneously combustion. Twice.

>>23392679

no, the moral is that math sucks and it was made by the demon for trolling humanity

proof:

http://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2010/04/06/the-amazonian-tribe-that-can-only-count-up-to-five/

The theme of the episode is that Pinkie is a total derpface who does random shit constantly and has "funny power," and that Twilight is a jerk who has to disprove everything she doesn't understand.

Twilight's "I give up" speech was fucking awful though, straight out of a Christian conversion fantasy.

Can someone tell me where to go to watch the new episode? :c

Durpy seems to enjoy delivering things she could have 2 jobs one as a mover and one as a post pony.

Also that could have been a post truck delivering large packages.

Why does Fluttershy have freaky knowledge of sewing?

>>23392967
Nevermind.

>>23392967
pe
>PUDDI
No fucking clue.

What was the name of the writer on this episode?

>>23392998
she masturbates to her crotchet magazines

>>23391065

>>23392480
Thanks! I was wracking my brains trying to think where I'd heard that before.

can't er all just agree that the moral was not presented correctly, but other than that the episode was still not THE worst episode? I mean, come on, can't we at least forgive this episode's shortcomings? I didn't mind it all that much, and I think it will only be bad if we let arguing and butthurting over it turn the whole threads into some huge debate. Don't let one mistake ruin the whole damn show, guys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMYuqJUTRSs
I found part one.

>>23392401
Ha. Spontaneous combustion happens.
We do not know why it happens.
But it happens.

>>23392856
This

I can't stand what this fucking fandom has become.

>what if she exploded?
>what if she exploded, then exploded again?
>IS THAT POSSIBLE?!
I swear I've had that conversation when stoned before

What about the zebra ep?

I had to transcribe the moral for myself to analyse.

"I am happy to report I now realise there
are wonderful things in this world you
can't just explain, but that doesn't
necessarily make them any less true.
It just means you have to choose to
believe in them and sometimes
it takes you a friend to show you the way."

Looking at it like this makes it a bit less rageworthy, I suppose. Considering the epistemological criticism against positivism, I could perhaps accept this episode as something not inherently anti-science. However, the moral's argument was a bit of a strawman, in that it made a silly parody of scholarly scrutiny, which made it an easy target for criticism.

The moral itself could've had a more neutral tone. This one was clearly anti-rational.

>>23393255
What bothers me the most about the bitching is that nobody here usually gives a shit about the moral in most circumstances outside of CotC and then use the one instance in a Blue Moon they give a fuck to throw a huge bitchfit.

>>23393043
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Polsky
Here's the writer for the episode. I think the easiest way for us to determine if there was an attempt at supernaturalist, or religious propaganda is to internet detective his background.
If it poor writing, it's poor writing. If it's propaganda, we fuck his shit up and tell him to not use our ponies to spread his shitty messages.

Pros:
- Lots of Spike
- Derpy

Cons:
- SoRandumXD
- Weird lesson
- Too much slapstick, felt out of place

This is just my opinions though. I prefer a more relate-able pinkie ala Griffin the Brush-Off, as opposed to having her as some kind of enigma. I'm not really a fan of too much slapstick either. Twilight getting hit with a bunch of crap just made me groan, not laugh. That, and I found myself annoyed by Pinkie despite usually being endeared. There wasn't even a Pinkie song!

and the accidents were probably not intended to be any particular moral lesson there... just slapstick that was poorly justified.

it was a funny as hell episode

I loved every second of it.

>>23393311
I was able to stand it up until about two hours before todays episode. Today may become the straw that breaks the camel's back though

Also, Original Content IN HD

>>23393378
>liked Griffin the Brush-Off
>didn't like the slapstick in this episode
I don't think I could disagree with you more

>>23393340

An immortalized celebrity I am

>>23392856

I'm sorry that you don't find discussions about religion, faith, belief, etc. interesting, but many people do. You will always find people talking about this sort of stuff here on 4chan because it is something people love to talk about.

I've always found the sentiment that we should be somehow restricted in what we talk about on this site's various boards as odd. I think of /co/ as a place where fans come to talk. As fans, we talk about comics and cartoons a lot, but as in real life that is not all we talk about.

I mean, look at what you're actually doing here. You have come well late into this conversation and are now asserting that we "should" be talking about something entirely differently. That's patently silly, you wouldn't do that to your friends who enjoy cartoons.

I liked that the Hydra had some personality

That one head laughing at the other 3 was golden

the hydra was obviously a Captain America shout out, and tie in with the upcoming movie

>>23393526
That was a nice touch.

Wait, there was a moral? I thought is was just a funny cartoon about ponies doing crazy shit. And Derpy. And apparently Twilight admires Dash. And Celestia.

...there was a moral?

Oh great, is that what we've become? Pony Purists?

It's a quality cartoon. Jeeze.

capcha: ingestst 1990

I won't ingest any more 1990, capcha. Never again.

>>23393378
You disliked Pinkie Keen, but loved Griffon which highlights revolved around what all of Pinkie Keen was?

I kind of want to see moving pony boss fight Big Macintosh

I think you guys complaining about slapstick are forgetting... this is still a fucking children's show even if it did somehow amass a bigger fanbase among 20something men with no friends.

It was just a little humor to toss in for the kids to enjoy. Sometimes I'm embarrassed for you guys, really.

>>23393592

YOULL TAKE YOUR 1990 AND LIKE IT

hey.
Uh.
Has anyone else given any thought to the notion I just had that Pinkie Pie and Applejack are actually cousins?
Granny Smith has a pie as her cutie mark, and yes I know Pinkie Pie called her gran granny pie but, idk man. I'm seeing connections.

>My face when a horse bigger than Mac ran past Twilight and covered her in mud

>>23393628
>>23393628
They are SHIT compared to MANLY TENNIS PONY

>>23393473
we love you Mr Hate, I blame madmax for that comic

>>23393494
See, I don't think you get what I'm bitching about.

I'm fine with discussion. What I'm not fine with the rampant arguing over trivial shit. It's great if you want to discuss the undertones of Christian thought versus the scientific method in this episode. the keys is DISCUSSION. About 75% of what's going on is more along the lines of "I'M A CHRISTIAN YOU SHOULD SUCK IT UP" or "I'M AN ATHEIST I CAN'T STAND THIS EPISODE FUCK I MIGHT QUIT IF THEY EVER GET THIS WRITER AGAIN"

Also, just because I didn't bother posting before does not mean I'm just jumping in without any context to what's going on. I've been in the threads for the past two hours now. I was in the threads for the two hours before the episode aired. Hell, the only times I wasn't in the threads today was during classes this morning and the two hours I spent practicing archaeological survey techniques.

Regardless though, have some pony.

ponychan.net/chan
ponychan.net/chan
ponychan.net/chan
ponychan.net/chan
ponychan.net/chan
ponychan.net/chan
ponychan.net/chan
ponychan.net/chan
ponychan.net/chan
come on bronies you go here instead of 4chan

>>23393628
big boss pony...I LIKE THAT NAME!

Posting Pinkie Pie in a Pony Thread

>>23393808

I'm not going to separate websites for every subject I want to talk about

>>23393812
>implying we don't already have a Big Boss pony

>>23393812
His name is Brown Box.

Animators had a lot of fun this episode.

Derpy dropping the stuff was definitely a shoutout to /co/. She even made the 96 face. Also, angry Twilight needs to be a gif.

>>23393783
well there can't be a discussion if butthurt theist are acting passive agressive as always.
They should turn their other cheek on /b/

>>23393340
Please tell me there's more to that comic

>>23393783

>I'm fine with discussion. What I'm not fine with the rampant arguing over trivial shit. It's great if you want to discuss the undertones of Christian thought versus the scientific method in this episode. the keys is DISCUSSION. About 75% of what's going on is more along the lines of "I'M A CHRISTIAN YOU SHOULD SUCK IT UP" or "I'M AN ATHEIST I CAN'T STAND THIS EPISODE FUCK I MIGHT QUIT IF THEY EVER GET THIS WRITER AGAIN"

This is 4chan, that is discussion here.

sage for cancer

>>23393470
S'allright bro. I'm just glad other people enjoyed this episode, I may have dislike it but i'd like to believe it's just my personal preferences rather than bad writing, though I did feel some of the dialogue was pretty weak.

>>23393597
What? The second half of Griffin is what I liked a lot better than the first. Also, we saw a more rational, human side of Pinkie in that episode. Worrying about Fluttershy, jealousy, and her way of trying to make amends with someone she wasn't getting along with. This episode paints her as more of an enigma than just a quirky girl. Which is something I more expect from bad fanon ("XD Pinkie controls space and time") than canon.

>>23393965
>implying there's never been mature discussion on 4chan

wanna know what a scientific theory is? A scientific theory is when a phenomena yields positive results upon experimentation and observation, but a full explanation is not yet known. It's true, but not fully understood... just like gravity. WE know quite a bit about gravity, but we're still learning about it. that's why we have a giant particle accelerator in europe right now. So how much different is that from this episode. Scientifically speaking, yes the observation that pinkie's twitches are predictive would be a valid scientific theory at that point. The real reason the moral was so derped up was because it's virtually impossible to teach young children to "pick your battles." they tried to get something similar or easier to understand, but things just didn't quite work out.

and the slapstick may have just been for the sake of comedy, and the setup is just really easily mistaken for a moral.

>>23393925
brown box......that is a very lazy name for a pony
can we change it to blue box ?
wait! no, that is the doctor

>>23393936

>96 face

>>23393936
very well animated, but the writing seemed hamfisted.
No that's not a dig at the theistic argument going on, I'm just saying it would not stand on writing- the animation completely carried the episode.

>>23393962
Fuck off, the pony community has a bad enough rep as it is without original character donotsteal faggotry.

>>23393955
you are a retard slowpoke

>>23394030

I do believe the fact that a relatively reasonable and articulate conversation has just suddenly devolved into the ">implying" meme rather thoroughly proves my point.

>>23394034
well, it was a joke one Anon had made- the pony in question runs a delivery company. And when a customer comes in he asks, "what can Brown do for you?"

I think Big boss makes him sound like some kind of a pony mobster.

Anti-science fags don't know we're fucking star dust.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RjW5-4IiSc
Neil DeGrasse Tyson knows the fuckin magic of science.

>>23393962
babys first troll huh?

>>23394147
Yeah, whoever the fuck did that has pretty much forced me to conceed to you.

I'll be honest, I'm probably just being so bitchy today because of my two exams today. Fucking SocAnthro Research Methods and a Spanish course that's nothing but review for me.

But anyway. This thread needs more ponies and friendship

>>23394193
>>23394096
I thought you guys were all into any pony, whether it be original or from the show. Sheesh. My bad

>>23394319
only ponies created by committee are allowed. Everyones canon must be synced!

>>23394319
Some originals are praised here. But yours is just bad. No consistency to the design and accessories. "Rave" culture just reeks of every single image on DA that makes people mad. Do something original. Come up with a pony theme that isn't based on some played out subculture or music or caffeinated beverage.

Well, I'm going to stop mangling the skepticism vs faith debate.

The episode in general was still pretty wierd. Twilight was always stubborn, but in this episode she appears as downright condescending and smug towards Pinky Pie.

Also the whole theme of the episode is pretty much the opposite of the moral in Birdle Gossip, where all the ponies are afraid of Zacora and her curses. In that case, Twilight refuses to believe in something so illogical as a curse, but eventually gives in to peer pressure and (false) evidence.

That Twilight is acting so incredibly smug and stubborn in this episode seems reasonable, as she (embarrassingly enough) gave in to superstition abut curses.

Even if we disregard the "faith" argument in this episode we have been given two contradictory moral statements.

Belief in supernatural curses contra supernatural premonitions seem rather similar, yet the moral of the story is completely different in either case.

>>23394378
I picked that b/c of the bright colors and her abilities, everyone's titled to their opinions.

>>23394459
Look up the writing credits of the guy who wrote it and it'll all make sense.
I'm saying he's a shitty writer. Just so we're clear.

>>23394459
or it's possible that confronted with similar situations in two different settings, a single being made completely different choices. It's not as unlikely as you think.

>>23394404
fixed

Friendship everywhere in this bitch.

>>23394550
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0689844/
Right here.

So yeah, I'm guessing this is shitty writing over intentional propaganda. So the solution is we just need to make MLP:FiM SO successful, they'll never resort to second rate, awful, writers ever again.

>>23394459
"Bridle Gossip" was written by Amy Keating Rogers, who seems to be one of the show's regular writers, having also written:

The Ticket Master (co writeer)
Applebuck Season
and Fall Weather Friends

"Feeling Pinkie Keen," is the only episode written by Dave Polsky, so there's hope we won't get any more like this.

Anyone know how /co/ can get in touch with Lauren Frost and let her know how we feel?

See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_My_Little_Pony:_Friendship_Is_Magic_episodes

>>23394459
I re-watched Bridle Gossip earlier today, so this contrast immediately stuck out to me. I'm gonna try to write it off as a "believe in your friends" moral, rather than anything else.
I hope they don't let this writer handle Pinkie again though, I haven't felt this annoyed by her since episode 1.

>>23394690
agree we need to contact her and make sure something like this wont happen in the future

>>23394550
>Work on a bunch of shit you don't care about which leads to low quality work
>Make The Buzz on Maggie

You guys were heaping piles of praise upon this episode until the whole religion debate shit happened. Ignore the sloppily thought-out moral and the episode is marvelous.

>>23394770
The moral only slightly bothered me and I still feel the same after checking 4chan. I was disliking the episode before the first half even finished. It's just personal taste on some of our parts. The animation was good, the hydra's little details in his actions impressed me, and I laughed at some of the dialogue, but for the most part it felt very weak writing-wise, I don't really like excessive cliched slapstick, and I felt the way Pinkie was written was like that of a fanfic.

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>>23394603
This + Ep1 = Twilight's Regalia Form confirmed for bonfire hair

>>23394690

lol

>David "Dave" Polsky is an American film and television screenwriter best known for creating The Buzz on Maggie and co-writing Scary Movie 2.
>Scary Movie 2

>>23394715
>>23394734
>>23394690
>>23394550
I cannot fucking beleive you fucking /b/tards
I refuse to believe we actually want this writer out on their first episode

>>23394770

People have also expressed displeasure with the characterization of both Twilight and Pinkie and at least one person, to my recollection, has expressed a bit of dissatisfaction with Twilight inexplicably forgetting her demonstrated ability to teleport. Further, I think it's silly to say that people should discard the core theme of the story when evaluating it.

>>23394881
humor was sub-par and LOLRANDOMLOL, the story was utter shit,the debate just showed me others felt the same way.

>>23394770
I don't know fucktons about the cartoon making process, but I'm pretty sure the animation, visual gags, and overall pacing go to the animation director(s).
And that was what carried this episode, in my opinion.

And I STILL think all of the stuff Dave Polsky is credited as having written is absolutely shit.

>>23394770
This is true, we don't know how the writing is decided within it. Did Dave Polski write it from scratch, was her given an outline to write, and if it was an outline how thorough was said outline.

We need to be more scientific in our approach if we are going to condemn Dave Polski or not.

>>23394690
>Charlotte Fullterton writes "Look Before You Sleep"
>Everyone except hardcore shippers labels it as a shit tier episode, and pray to god she never writes another one.
>Charlotte Fullerton writes "Suited for Success"
>Nearly everyone loves the episode and she is redeemed.

Seriously chill out and give the guy a fucking chance. It was his first episode writing for the characters.

Also the "WHAT IF SHE EXPLODED" joke was so out of left field, it was funny. He seems competent, just needed a warm-up.

>>23394914
>we
>implying everyone has to have a collective opinion

Has anyone seen madmax today?

>>23395044
>Implying I'm not going to rape you

Here's Lauren Faust's Deviantart.

http://fyre-flye.deviantart.com/

Fly my bronies! Fly! Let her know what we think of Dave Polsky's crappy writing.

Remember, any complaints should be calm, well reasoned, and proof-read,
not angry rants.

>>23394649
>>23394551
>>23394550

Yeah, I don't really need to look him up. If you say he's a bad writer I trust you, then perhaps we can reach consensus about the story being wierd and the characters portrayed strangely?

I'm a fan of Ms.Sparkle, and even though she didn't really get a very empathic portrayal in this episode, she was given a pretty heroic scene with the Hydra -defending her friends.

(If one of the other ponies had decided to face the hydra, then Twilight would have had a 100% bitch episode, so I hope the Applejack fans can forgive her for stealing the spotlight this time around.)

>>23394960
We need a higher quality rip then pensivepony's to check the writing on this beyond Dave Polsky. It goes into the hubs preview of pound puppies and the text is unreadable.

>>23395046
I did, first time in years actually. I forgot how awesome the...Oh wait, wrong Mad Max

No, I haven't seen madmax yet toda. Ithink she may've checked in earlier though

I have to wonder what the heck is up with the Diamond Dogs episode. I've had skepticism for certain episode ideas before, but this idea more than any other seems like something from a whole 'nother show.

I still want my Rainbow Dash episode, desperately.

The dialogue wasn't bad. But the writing showed unfamiliarity with the characters, and the moral was muddled. It wasn't the worst writing job in the world, the problem is the muddled moral is a pretty big problem.

>>23395115
No one better post SHIT about the writing on that account. I swear to god for once have some common fucking sense people and ignore this retard.

>>23395113
>implying you have the balls for it

>>23394976

But I hate shipping and I loved both of those episodes.

And I liked this episode, shit was funny. Derpy fanservice, Fluttershy's hop-skip-and-a-jump and logic-defying Pinkie was all sorts of cool. Pinkie has always been an overly cartoony character that doesn't really pay attention to physics and such so I don't know why this bothered people.

I liked the slapstick too, played with common tropes and was well animated. The message I didn't like but hey I'm not gonna let that bring me down when I was enjoying myself the entire episode before that.

I'll be looking forward to more from this guy

>>23395215

Seconded. Show some fucking tact, you assholes.

>>23395215
Personal attacks aside, I agree.
Using Faust's comment stream as a soapbox for every little thing is discourteous - a bad idea.
If you want to complain to someone, complain to Hasbro via their feedback page.

so... anypony notice that the hydra is an obvious representation of satan? and that taking a leap of faith was the only way for twilight to defeat it?

>>23394915
Pinkie: YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE THINGS YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND AND THAT CANNOT BE EXPLAINED THROUGH OBSERVATION.
Twilight: NEVER.

I don't see how that's necessarily out of character. We have one person who takes things as they are (Pinkie) while another has to rationalize it through science (Twilight). Twilight fans should be drinking this episode up and using it to rebuttal "Twilight is a boring character with no personality" criticisms.

Twilight's teleportation probably has a distance cap that doesn't extend to the distance between platforms. The only time she was able to teleport any distance more than ten or so feet was when she lost control of her power in The Ticket Master.

>>23394934
You never heard of aches that foretell events or weather like aching elbows predicting rain? The whole episode was made just to poke fun at superstitions like that. It's only LOLRANDUM if you have completely ignorant of wives tales or are unable to laugh at the inanity of far-out beliefs like that.

>>23395115
>Remember, any complaints should be calm, well reasoned, and proof-read,
not angry rants.

>>23395215
>I swear to god for once have some common fucking sense people and ignore this retard.

23395215 you're the retard. If people don't like the episode they should let the writers know. If we don't we'll end up with more shitty episodes.

Does the mountains even count as the bog? Sure there was swamp under it, but is it really the same area? Pinkie's prediction may have been wrong.

>>23395115
If I still wasn't capped on reports, I'd report this for /b/-raid bullshit. If she becomes a cynic who hates her fans, I blame you for widening the schism between creators and base.

>>23395466
Might want to send in complaints about Megan Mccarthy and Charlotte Fullerton then right?

Oh wait. They had a second episode to back up their other terrible one.

Let the guy get another go. If he blows ass again, go ahead and complain.

Even with that said, this episode was not THAT bad. Look Before You Sleep and Call of the Cutie are still worse.

So, do you guys think MLP:FiM will go the way of Flapjack or Chowder? Great show, cute, funny, everyone likes it, and then it all suddenly goes wrong and gets canceled.

>>23395423 I loved it UNTIL it turned out they were giving into the "lol, it's miracles. screw science". I had never been a TS fan before and I loved Pinkie Pie. This episode kinda ruined both for me.
This episode probably sparked some of the shortest TS fans ever.Sparked and killed before the episode ended.

>>23395333

Oh and about the whole Twilight not teleporting I thought was explained in the beginning where her magic wasn't working without complete concentration on her and spike's part. She was pretty panicked when a hydra was stomping around, but I guess that could have only applied to that one type of magic she was using.

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>>23395188

Diamond Dogs, huh? That would be sweet!

>>23395115
Will some one with a deviantART account please post this as a comment?

Dear Princes Celestia,

Today I learned that there are some things you can't explain,
and when you encounter one of these, it's best to just give up and not even try to understand it.

Your most faithful student,
-Twilight Sparkle

>>23395581
Call of the Cutie's moral was an amazingly insightful one for young children atleast. If all else fails, the moral needs to be strong. This episode had derpy clearly as derpy, that's its saving grace.
I enjoyed the subtle humour too with the literal soap box, nods to other episodes, and VERY subtle in jokes to other thing (i hate dreamworks style, lol we're so relevent with pop culture reference).

The moral is what kills this episode, and in a childrens show it needs to be strong.

>>23395691

That's actually very funny!
..you still should'nt post it though.

>>23395615
Don't you dare imply such a thing!

>>23395691

you guys are being way too "snarky asshole" about this

Just say "I was very confused about the moral of today's episode. It seemed like they were teaching kids not to pursue answers when confronted with the unknown and it seemed like a bad message. Could you clarify if I am misunderstanding?"

And this should be emailed the writer, not posted on Faust's page anyway.

>>23395691
>Will some one with a deviantART account please post this and come off as a complete fucking asshole?
You're getting an exceptionally above average show that treats an audience that has been talked down to for 3 decades with dignity, and yet you still possess /jp/ levels of ungratefulness.

>>23395116

I seriously doubt AppleJack's fans would mind.

It is pretty uncharacteristic that AJ would not volunteer to distract the Hydra. (Or atleast to stop Twilight from doing so.)

>>23395691
You can make an account pretty easily if you use 10 minute email. Use a proxy for extra protection.

Lauren Faust is quite aware of /co/ and our love for her show. I wouldn't be surprised if she wasn't already aware of our problems with the episode. Whomever's fault it is will probably be watched closer, especially since our complaints aren't just about the show through an adults eyes, but the message it might have sent to kids.
Skepticism, curiosity, and that thirst to understand how something works is important. Inspiring kids to look for the reasons and causes for things they don't understand is important. There were other problems in the episode that only people like us our going to notice, but it's the overall anti-science tone it takes if the problem.

>>23395615
We can only hope.

>>23395962

She was busy saving Pinkie Pie. Applejack CARRIED Pinkie Pie across the gap since she was shaking too hard to jump, none of the other ponies would have been strong enough to do that.

The fake TS letter was posted.

Dear Twilight Sparkle,
I am pleased to see your belief in your friends has grown, but remember to take that with a grain of salt. Some theories do not hold up, and you should remain diligent in determining the truth for yourself. For example, there is nothing to the rumors that I've held trixie hostage for Luna to do with as she pleases, and there is no evidence for it either.
Your eternal Ruler,
Princess Celestia

>>23396216

fantastic

now we sit around while none of the problems we have are addressed because we went about it all wrong.

>>23396387
was also posted:

There has been much debate and confusion about the moral of Feeling Pinkie Keen. People are reading into it too deeply and interpreting it to be anti-intellectual, anti-skepticism, pro-religion, and so forth.

Personally, I think it's both the first two, but also not, and accepting that there are phenomenons that cannot be explained, similar to theories or educated guesses, taking it at face value since there are some things that are impossible to completely explain or rationalize (ie. superstitions like aching joints on rainy days).

Would you help shed some light, whether it be the intended lesson, or perhaps your own interpretation?

>>23396387
How would you have gone about it then? Done nothing and hoped that everything just fixes itself?

If people are unhappy with something they complain. This is how the real world works.

Given the bad moral in the latest episode it's not surprising that so many people are unhappy.

Dear Princes Celestia,

Today I learned that sometimes it is best not to question authority, especially not when they provide funding for your academic research, and in particular if they have access to an army and/or powerful magic. I've heard the outrageous rumors of you holding Trixie captive and is currently working on finding the one responsible.

Your most faithful student,
-Twilight Sparkle

>>23396387
go adress them then

What Pony is giving the great and powerful trixie a back massage here?

So, kind of off subject here, but how old do you think the ponies are? Early 20s?

We know P. Celestia is at least 1k.
Rainbow Dash seems to hold a government job (weather control)
Applejack is young enough to have a prepubescent sister.

Actually, A mover is not that different from a postal worker. So maybe Derpy is a mailpony afterall because the jobs are merged.

Fuck you people that are posting on her DA.

I'm sure if the moral of the story was "fuck religion" (in those exact words), people would be hailing Dave as the greatest writer of our time.

>>23396798
Only because he got the censors to allow fuck.
People have been saying "Fuck Religion" for centuries, hence, science.

>>23396798
Yes, yes I would. It'd actually be a bold stance to take for a childrens show.

>>23391065
That's a reference to Ponyta though isn't it?

>>23396508
Celestiaspeed, Twilight Sparkle. Celestiaspeed.

I just realized something...

>Applejack's brother's name is Big Macintosh, which is easily shortened to Big Mac

>The toys are marketed at McDonalds

mind = blown

>>23396508
Hey what DID happen to Trixie? She kinda disappeared off the face of Equestria.

>>23396495

It's funny how you are ignoring:
>>23395885
and
>>23396133

Posting a stupid fake TS letter on a deviantart profile to look clever won't help anyone. Complain to the writer, email Faust with a proper complaint or hey how about sending some mail to the hub itself.

In the "real world" people clearly state their issues and give suggestions on how to improve, they don't act like children and bother the creator of a show with snarky comments on her web page.

>>23395188 that comic
"I'd like the full set of My Little Pony please."

Seriously you guys are retarded. How fucking hard is it to ask for what you want? I don't like throwing the A word around but...

>>23397102

The A word?

...ask? I don't see anything else starting with A in that sentence.

>>23396508
To my dearest faithful student Twilight Sparkle,

Your personal explorations in the values of friendship have indeed provided you with valuable insights. I am sincerely proud of the amount of progress you are making and feel confident in providing you with additional funding to pursue the values of friendship in the coming year. Also, as a further incentive I hereby present an offering of gala tickets and other trinkets that are sure to make you a popular and trustworthy representative amongst the local populace. Please make use of them in such a manner you find best suits my purposes.

PS.
Also, if you happen to come across the aforementioned scoundrel spreading rumors about a steaming sex dungeon within my royal castle, please make sure to ascertain the identity of his fellow accomplices here at the castle so that I may "encourage" them from such indecent behavior in the future.
DS.

Your eternal Ruler,
Princess Celestia

>>23396798
It's not a double standard, because science is (by definition) demonstrably real. They're NOT the same thing.

Does the McDonalds Applejack toy come with her hat?

>>23397167
Autism.

Turning into a stuttering moron when someone asks you what you want (when you KNOW what you want) is... well it may not be autism, but it's certainly something.

>>23397357

Dear Twilight Sparkle,
I am pleased to see your studies have returned to a direction more in line with your basic training. Remember that obedience brings victory, especially for a student of your magical talents. As you know, Equestria itself is full of magical energy, and when you act out of line with the balance of our universe, the interference tends to cause unfortunate effects. I hope, beloved student, that you do not find yourself in another situation, whereby causing ruckus and bringing attention to yourself you bring about another accident such as several pieces of furniture tumbling upon your head. I understand that caused you a great deal of pain, and it hurts me to see you suffer needlessly. Remember, your secondary investigations are of a personal nature, and for your personal spiritual sanctity, you cannot risk them being compromised even by friends.
Your glorious leader,
Princess Celestia.

More hater pics please

Agent Hooves,
Mission successful. Codename Terrible Romance Saga will not be straying from her duties anytime soon. As agreed, a batch of messenger dragons have had an unfortunate incident near the everfree forest. It seems your services shall remain in high demand. Destroy this note immediately.
PC

>Tons of Pinkie-style fun
>Continuity with Dragonshy
>Derpy shout out
>A FUCKIN' HYDRA
>Slapstick comedy all over the place
>The best ones of the mane cast are on it
Definitely one of the best episodes yet.

Pink Crusador,
Thought you should know your attempts to corrupt my army have failed yet again. Twilight Sparkle remains my loyal student, and she shall be bred to lead my armies yet. Remember, my mercy to you grows tired; do not think that you will be missed should you be removed from your happy little town. If ever I discover the source of your power, I will show you what it really means to cower. Doom shall befall you yet.
Supreme Leader Princess Celestia

>>23397088
Faust's deviant art account, which is not her website, is the only way we have to contact someone who works on MLP, therefore it's the only way we have to pass on comments. If you have the emails of someone else we can contact please post them.

This issue was clearly stated. The moral seems to support blindly believing in superstitions because your friends support believe rather than use science to determine if they're accurate.

We can only offer advice after we've received an explanation regarding what the moral was meant to be.

Princess Celestia,
Rest ye not upon your undeserved throne of wretchedness; I shall yet find revenge for your heinous treachery against my parents. My seeds are sown deeper than ever you could know; you do not fool me with your empty threats. You know as well as I should you try to flatten the voices of freedom and democracy, Ponyville will stand by my side. You are so convinced that your precious little subordinate warrants corrupting, what makes you think I need her on my side at all? Surely by now your agents must have informed you that my ponies have infiltrated your Dungeon in the East; I have all the evidence I need. If you do not return Trixie to me by choice, then I shall steal her from you, right under your nose.
Vengence shall be mine,
Pink Crusader

>>23397783
Faust has replied.

>"Oh geez I don't know if I want to open this particular can of worms.

>I can't speak for others who worked on this episode, but from my perspective, it's kind of like you said: there are simply phenomenons that are difficult to explain. And I'm of the opinion that "faith" can apply to more things than just religion. For instance: are we alone in the universe or is there life on some other planet somewhere? We don't have convincing evidence that aliens exist, but it takes "faith" to say that's it's not possible at all. I've heard some pretty heated debates from smart people regarding certain cases of cryptozoology. In the end, if there is an idea we explore that leads us to inconclusive answers, we are left with a choice: believe it anyway, reject it, or wait for more answers.

>Obviously rather deep for our audience, I know. And obviously up to lots and lots of interpretation. Maybe it was a mistake. Honestly, we started the process with the concept of Pinkie having that old fashioned cliche "knee's achey, it's gonna rain," Twilight not buying it and the humor we thought came out of that.

>BTW---I'm not sure if I'm going to regret putting in my 2 cents on this one, so if my replying to this starts flame wars or invites trolls, I'm going to delete it. I really like having discussions with viewers, but I've been getting more nervous about it of late."

tl;dr it has nothing to do with science vs religion, back off.

Jesus christ you arseholes will complain about anything. Why can't you just fucking enjoy yourselves.

>>23397573
>mane cast
Lol, manes.
And there was no Rarity, whom I suddenly love, so fuck your opinion.

so, any drawfag interested in the scene where rainbowdash breaks trixie out of one of Princess Celestia's dungeons?

Dear Princess Celestia,

Today I learned that dead ponies float. His name was Pringles, and we found him this morning floating in the great pony river.

Your most faithful student,
-Twilight Sparkle

Princess Celestia,
You wretched curr, you have gone too far! Pringles was a good pony! He had a family! He had a brother too, before you enlisted him. I swear to you, you will pay for this unforgivable crime before next week's end. Guard yourself, coward. Vengence is coming.
Pink Crusader

>>23398093
>great pony river
So that's where the GREAT and POWERFUL Trixie is.
She killed Pringles to hide her location.

Howdy Big McIntosh,
So uh, I dunno if y'all've heard about this yet. Pringles was found in a river. The nurses think it was maybe one of them creatures from the everfree forest. Something about a whole heap of torn flesh. God I just can't think about it, I reckon. I thought we finally had us a feller to help take care of Granny Smith and the barn and well, I reckon I sorta liked him too. I don't understand, Big Mac. How could such a terrible thing happen to such a good pony? Oh Celestia, I miss him Mac, I really do. I hope y'all can take care of tomorrow without me. I think I need some time.
Your sister,
Apple Jack