>>20808887
I love that artist.

Did it 404 on its own? I don't know, it just disappeared so suddenly... like a mod or janitor deleted it or something.

Anyone know what the post number was up to before the last one died?

Probably my favorite Pony pic.

>>20808919
Over-enthusiastic janitor, I think.

I saw some other threads that had been dead for hours vanish, too

>>20808887
Pinkie Pie is enjoying that hug way too much...

>>20808933
We missed the very first few, so it's no big deal.

>>20808933
Two-hundred-ninety-something.

I like how mods will delete legitimate threads but not the floods of penis and guro.

>>20808975

295 according to the 4chan filter greasemonkey script.

>>20809020

I gotta go to bed, but before I do, have this image macro I made for you.
I drew it. Oh, and I have a version without the text, so I'll post that too before I turn in for the night

>>20808975
>legitimate threads

Mods are allowed to consider threads spam if you make them at the rate you guys do.

I'LL GO IT ALOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE

>>20808887

WHARBLGARBL

>>20809088
Yes, the spamtastic rate of one at a time.

>>20809075
Okay, goodnight.
Sleep tight.
And whatever you do,
Do not sleep under the light of the moon...

>>20809088
>1 thread at a time = spam

Yeah okay...

>>20809110
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>20809075

Give "No" a black border so it stands out better.

>>20809108
Oh god, Celestial's EYES!!!

>>20809413
She reminds me of Chiyo-chan's dad

>>20809382
What is this from? The new episode this Friday?

>>20809448
Generic Hub commercial that premiered today

>>20809382
What the hell am I looking at here?

>>20809448

Possibly. It showed up on this commercial, along with a few seconds of other scenes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM2XFNqz41w&feature=sub

Do I have to max out all of the elements to get my Cutie mark?

>>20809113

>>20809535
Yes. Kindness is the only hard one to get at the moment, really.

>>20809565
Dammit.

I wish there was a way to save this I need to fill out job apps.

YOU MAKE ME FEEL
LIKE A PONY
LIKE A PONY
LIKE A PONY
MONY MONY

>>20809544
This...

I am actually sad for once

WHY DO YOU DO THIS!

>>20809726
Better quality.

Hell yea Spike. Taking requests if anyones interested. Pony related things, of course.

>>20809760
How about a picture of Equestria being a disk on the back of four ponies on the back of a giant sea pony?

>>20809758

>>20809760
I want to see Spike wearing a pimp hat and glasses. Wielding a cane and doing a haters gonna hate walk.
In return, I give you Starlord and Applejack meeting for the first time.

>>20809879
>in return

>>20809726
I just realized that Twilight Sparkle's butt mark matches the final element of the "Elements of Harmony".

>>20809760
Someone yesterday mentioned how the Elements of Harmony could be mistaken by Thanos as being Infinity Gems, so I'd like to see Thanos angrily running after Pinkie Pie in a flowery field of Equestria saying something like "You WILL give me the Elements of Harmony" while Pinkie is just hopping around like it's some kind of game...

Or something like that...

Picture related, it's Thanos.

>>20809879
And by glasses I mean shades. Sexy sexy pimp shades.

>>20809905

DAT ASS is the final element?

Fluttershy: Don't make me angry. you wouldn't like me when I'm angry.

>>20810016
Why is she so frightening when mad?

>>20810016
Now I'm imagining her bulking up into Ponyhulk. Can this be drawn, please?

>>20809760
Pinkie Pie singing SHOO BE DOO

Anyone have that one image from the last thread with the Heavy from TF2?

>>20810071

>>20810101
No Heavy! You was pony!

>>20810050

BECAUSE I WILL...
b-because...
I will...
... I mean, I...
...
*squeaky noise*

So are you guys seriously obsessed with this show or do you only like it ironically?

>>20810119
And then Sniper made Heavy a Unicorn.

>>20810050
If she ever does that face during the story itself it has to be when shit get real

A CHALLENGER APPEARS

>>20809967
Upon closer inspection, it does represent the Elements of Harmony.

>>20810101

Thanks!

>>20810136
We enjoy it unironically.

Whether or not it's to the point of obsession depends on the individual.

>>20810071

Pinkie Pie singing it to the Sea Ponies. And the Sea Ponies having this "OH CRAP!" expression on their faces, with one of them is thinking "So this... THIS is how everyone see us?"

>>20810129
My heart is torn in both fear and adoration.

>>20810129
D'aaaaawww, don't be shy here have a chao. Look! It even likes you!

>>20810156
That one flash Rainbow Brite short was awful. It was like the opposite of Friendship is Magic, while the 80s Rainbow Brite was awesome. Especially the movie.

Drawfag here, if thread 404's on us, the drawings I chose to do will be posted on the +/co/ MLP thread. I will not tell you which one I'm working on now, cus I'm the Flash in Luthor's body in a restroom

>>20810263
Alright. Thanks for the art by the way. Both hilarious and good to look at.

>>20810263

>I'm the Flash in Luthor's body in a restroom

Aren't you going to wash your hands?

>>20810263
Should we get you some cakes to help you out?

>>20810263
>I'm the Flash in Luthor's body in a restroom
what does this MEAN!?

>>20809760
Rarity putting Fluttershy through the same dress-up routine she forced Twilight through.

>>20810332

>Rarity putting Fluttershy through the same dress-up routine she forced Twilight through.

Do want!

>>20810296
>>20810301

No, because he's EVIL!

Am I the only one to realize this?

:v

>>20810361
Makes sense, considering who's in charge of the show.

>I'm DL'ing this MLP's opening theme

So guys, when will the lunch box be available?

>>20810538
The worst animated series of 2010 in the same picture as the best?

>>20809879
First ones up

>this entire thread

Jesus Christ, will you people tell me what is so great about "My Little Pony"? I come to /co/ expecting stuff like Deadpool, and I see penises and faggot horses everywhere. This is just like that Scooby Doo bullshit. I saw a thread and thought "Hmmm, maybe that show's good" then I watched it and hated myself for believing the show wasn't a rushed piece of shit aimed at brainless 8 year olds.

FUCK.

>>20810566
I wish I was still in school just so I could do that.

>>20810572
>Implying that the new Nick and Disney cartoons aren't worse.

>>20810587
WOOO! Thanks! Now all we need is to macro this bad boy and we're rolling, baby!

>>20810647

>>20810647

>>20810647
does anyone have the macro of rainbow dash on the cloud with "this is me giving a fuck"?

>>20810647

>>20810707

>>20810729
thanks, turns out I had it after all though, I just couldn't find it because I suck at organizing my images.

>>20810647
Lauren Faust (PPG, Foster's)
Rob Renzetti (Dexter's Lab, My Life as a Teenage Robot)
Tara Strong

And above all else
Cute ponies doing cute things

Also there was a really good post in one thread about how, even as kids, we were smart enough to recognize which cartoons were engaging us despite being extended commercials and which ones were just insulting our intelligence, and how this generation's children will remember MLP as one of the former.
Wish someone had capped that.

i love how the single +/co/ thread has become our combination bunker/side board. speaking of which, congrats everyone. look at what you've done

Alternate "don't give a fuck" Rainbow Dash.

>>20810755
Good good, our powers grow stronger....

How about...
Ponies wearing Plague Masks?

Honest question. Who wants Nightmare Moon to win in the end?

>>20810824
she won dude.

she just.. fell some stairs after meeting her sister for the first time over a thousand years.

>>20810824
I want Luna to win.

>>20810824

me, it would be a good twist

but it will never happen:(

>>20810824
Well, she wanted to be loved by the ponies just like her sister was, and at the end she was invited to take part in their big party thing. So she kinda did win.

>>20810893

>>20810824
Her actions were completely unjustified, but I would like Celestia to get her comeuppance for being a heinous bitch and locking Luna up for a thousand years.

>>20810824
I want the Smooze to learn the power of Friendship.

This does make me wonder: Just how old was Luna when she was locked up? Compared to her sister, she looks about as old as one of the ponies in ponyville but she looks like she's wearing some sort of bib. Does that mean she threw a temper tantrum when she was just a baby and therefore got locked in the moon for it?

>>20811174
>bib
It's the same thing Celestia is wearing.

The ponies brought Luna's turn upon themselves for not loving the darkness.

>>20811174
It's a very big necklace. Notice how Celestia is wearing one too.

>captcha: friendship torted

>>20811210
If only they'd built pony nightclubs.

>>20811174
thats like saying the world was about 1k years old.

they are as old as dirt. or maybe the world is really just 1005~1010 years old

On slightly different note, do you think Luna is going to get any real focus next episode.

>>20811253
This early?
Doubt we'll see her at all until at least episode 6.

Dont die on me thread! I'm almost done with the second request!

>>20811253
according to wiki, nope.

she really should. it looks too much like a beat up and corner villain.

Princess Luna will be the star of a Halloween episode where she will discover that the ponies will dedicate her at least a night of the year to celebrate.
Ironically, in the pilot episode we get to see that the summer celebration involves everyone staying up for the entire night so they could see the dawn of the longest day of the year.

OH YES! YES! YES!

>>20810786
My Little Plague Doctor

with Rosey Rings,
Posie Pockets,
Ash & Ash, the Twins,
and Falldown

>>20811316
Congratulations. Now do it again and make a unicorn.

>>20811316
i suck at this. i refreshed the page and suddenly all progress lost.

i had just maxed honesty too =c

>>20809797
MEANWHILE IN THE KREE TERRITORIES

>>20810332
>>20810355

THIRDING! I WANT!

>>20811311
So they only stay up on one of the shortest nights of the year in order to honor the longest day. That would piss me the fuck off.

>>20811391
YEEESSSSS.

>>20811391
That's not a disc.

>>20811316
You must have harvested so many apples...

>>20811461
Sure it is, its just propped up on its side

>>20811411

A night is a night, pleb.

so somebody ripped the first episode, has anybody gotten the second one up anywhere?

Unofficial maintainer of the wall of friendship here.

I'm toast for the night. If we hit 300, someone cap it and post it at the +4 thread so I can add it tomorrow.

>>20811540
Not in good quality. And I don't think I have a link to the less-good-quality one, either. It's on YouTube, though.

>>20811391
And a macro version, y'know, for those marvel cosmic threads

>>20811540
The HQ copy of episode 1 was ripped from the Hub's website. They don't have episode 2 up yet, so no.

>>20811391
Pretty trippy man. Your on a roll!

http://www.cracked.com/article_18792_the-7-most-unintentionally-creepy-places-internet.html

#5

>You can find an Internet forum for pretty much anything, from fans of My Little Pony to people who like to get peed on by fans of My Little Pony

well, look at that.

>>20811625
Didnt see /co/ anywhere in that article bro

>>20811625
Re-born dolls are going to haunt my dreams now.

>>20811625
>reads article for context

Are you implying that there are no pony fans on /co/? Just one, giant same-fag building up that entire wall of 300+ threads?

>>20811678
It's just a mention of MLP in the preface for #5. That greentext is all there is.

>>20811678
Hmmm...

>fans of My Little Pony
is our part of /co/

>people who like to be peed on by fans of My Little Pony
is the rest of /co/, clearly.

>>20811710
that one (the buffy site), #2 (Diddy) and #1 (Hellish Nightmares) take the cake for me.

Anyone got a close up of Fluttershy's cutie mark?

any one have a link to that game? not like i have any dignity left anyway.

>>20811904
http://www.hubworld.com/my-little-pony/shows/friendship-is-magic/games/mlp-adventures-in-ponyville

>>20811889
Sure thing anon.

>>20811889

>>20811904
ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US!

>>20811982
That's not actually her cutie mark though.

Okay /co/. You broke me.
Seeing all these damn pony threads has made me curious and I'm about to watch it. SO MANY THREADS. It made me read Homestuck, and now it's making me watch this. I'm trusting you, /co/...

Is this show really that good? Does it warrant 10+ threads a day?

>>20811957

>>20811889

Here you go.

>>20812024

That's one hi-res ass.

can we get some blank pony templates up in this bitch?

>>20812000
>>20812003
It's only two episodes out so far... So its not that hard to get into right now. You should judge for yourself.

I don't know if 10+ threads is an accurate number, but I do rather like that there is at least one MLP thread which is active, as I happen to enjoy the show m'self.

>>20811393
>>20810355
>>20810332
Here you go. To whatever Anon suggested Rarity would be a dominatrix several threads ago, I salute you. And to all the kind anons out there who gave me flutterhy ref's, Sorry! I forgot

>>20812075
Yay! I had a good idea.

>>20812072

>>20812022

ALL HAIL COMRADE PINKIE PIE!

macro'd

the flash

I dont know what a Spiker is

>>20811957

>>20812065
I had a really cool one some time ago but I can't seem to find it

Twilight I already have a perfectly good pair of wings. Why are you giving me another?

>>20812162
Yesssssss

in one of the first pony threads some anon posted coloring book links for all 6 of em, but i stupidly only saved applejack

superman

>>20812075
Dude, you are ON FIRE

>>20809143
>>20809075
>>20810824
Nightmare Moon.......Shadow Moon?!!?

>>20812075
>To whatever Anon suggested Rarity would be a dominatrix several threads ago, I salute you.
Oh no need for that, just using my crazy imagination is what I do! You ought to do this more, we always love drawfags in our threads here. I have more ideas to challenge you if your up to it though.
Pic related you deserve it!

>>20812195

Kanaya riding on Rainbow Dash. Neither of them looks particularly pleased, for some reason.

Caption can be whatever lesbian joke you feel like putting in.

I'd provide a reference, but I haven't actually saved a single solo image of Kanaya. Odd.

>>20812162
WOOOO! AWESOME!
>>20812177
EVEN MORE MORE AWESOME!

All the colouring books are here

http://www.hasbro.com/mylittlepony/en_US/play/browse.cfm?Items=50

>>20812260

>>20812243
Thanks bro. This is my first time drawfaggan, so thanks for putting up with me. Have a macro

>>20812433
Why so serious?

Just watched the show. It was... it was okay. I think the very first ep will be the only one that's canon for me. I prefer to leave it as a tale warning you that making new friends causes the world to end.

Anyways, keep up the MLP generals. It's fun to watch /co/ flip their shit over them.

Still no BATB Aquaman with the Sea Ponies?

http://jwebgen.com/generate.php

Awww yeah.

>>20812383
Same guy who came up with the Rarity bit.
Hmm hows this, Guy Gardner and Dash having a shot drinking contest both shit faced and sniping at each other over who's going to pay for the drinks. Behind them is a mountain of empty bottles.

>>20812529
Fun fact, Twilight Sparkle is more butch than Edward.

>>20812529
Well played.

>>20812075
Good job, man. A fellow drawfag says hi.

>>20812586
Also here's Guy for reference.

HERE ON THE BATTLEFIELD

>>20812659
And Guy for a whole body reference if you need it.

>>20812644
Hey, wassup? Youve become my pony drawfag hero, if that doesnt sound too wierd.

>>20812586
Havent drawn Guy in a while, Think I'll take you up on it. Have Cap coming back to Urf

Just wanted to say that there was a ton of great ideas thrown out there tonight for my drawfagging. Go Bronies

>>20812727
Osborn is soo fucked now.

how do i earn kindness

YOU FAGGY TOM SAWYER MOTHERFUCKERS TRICKED ME. I'M FUCKING GAY NOW.

>>20812794
Applejack's game. Slowly.

>>20812794
Applejack's game gives them, but it's slow. Best way is to play it on hard, chase the apple-stealers away about 5 times, then lose on purpose and start again.

>>20812727
>>Pony Cap

>>20812858
Like relax man, its only for fun.

>>20812810
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE ACCEPT ASSIMILATION!

>>20812727
Sweet!
>>20812644
Haven't heard from you in a while. Gotten anything special lined up for us tonight?

>>20812727
Not at all, I heard weirder.

In Episode 3 we're meant to meet a "male unicorn" something that we never saw in G1.

We've also been told that the new series will have a couple of male antagonists "similar in feel to the Gangrene Gang".

And in the game you run into THESE assholes.

1+1+1 = Episode 3 will feature these apple-stealing douchenozzles.

No, I don't tonight. I'll do some stuff tomorrow. I did post something yesterday, an anon had a suggestion, so I drew it. Here it is if you didn't see it.

>>20812999
I thought jack's episode was later on?

>>20812999

>>20812999
That better be just speculation. I can only handle so much just seeing these inbred fucktards in the game alone!

>>20813026
Their first appearance doesn't have to feature Applejack necessarily. Like I said, we just know that there will be a male unicorn in ep 3. Put that together with the fact that these guys are male unicorns, and have a good chance of being the "Gangrene gang-like antagonists" meant to show up. I'm thinking these guys will show up a couple times.

Here's something else I did some nights back.

Why do they even walk up to the apple cart to begin with?

They're unicorns. They have teleportation and telekinisis.

>>20813085
Nice work, but is it pony-related? I can't tell.

>>20813089
The inbreeding counter-acts the unicorn magic probably.

>>20813085
Now we just have to wait for The Collector to pounce.

>>20813094
It's Hazel.

She's a squirrel.

>>20813101
Come'on now, you don't know about Hazel?

>>20813089
The horn is basically a magic wand. You still need practice and shit to get good at using it.

Do they LOOK like they're likely to practice?

>>20813094
Hazel human transformed from that frisky squirrel from the movie Sword in the Stone and is a production of /co/. Mostly out of shipping purposes. A really cute idea we came up a while back. Though it isn't pony related, I don't see anything wrong with having it in here anyways.

Sword in the Stone = ponies? Sure.

>>20813131
I'm such a newfag. :(

I suspect there's a third one incidentally. One clearly has scissors for his cutie mark, the other one looks like his mark is rocks.

So...

>>20812934
Here ya go!

>>20813165
The "rocks" look like Cherry Bombs or something to me.

so /co/ is there a saving mechanism because it is late and i have class tomorrow. also if they are ganggreen gang like is there going to be a pony to pony Ace Buttercup thing?

>>20813234 save function

Oh you poor bastard.

>>20813025
I never pictured them being that small compared to people.

>>20813234
No saving yet, and seeing how they're cousins with Applejack, I dont think so

>>20813218
And the scissors look more like pliers.

>>20813234
Saving mechanism = keep tab open forever. Other than that we have to wait for them to implement register/login.

>>20813234
No way to save in the game.

>>20813193
This is both spectacular and hilarious, can hardly breath! Bonus points for good ol' Groot too!

>>20813193
You know what this means? Vodka shots. Last one standing wins.

>>20813165

That looks to me like it's a snail.

>>20813193
Just noticed which finger Guy was pointing with

>>20813250
Nah, that looks exactly right to me.

More ponies with superheroes, please.

Specific ideas? I got nothing.

>>20812518

I want to see what the sea ponies would be like in Friendship is Magic style.

>>20813131
I always did like Hazel, but never got into the shipping threads with her in it.

>>20812810
Mo' like Brer Pony motherfuckers

Drawfag here, its like 4 o clock, so I'm out. I'll be back tomorrow. Stay cool bronies

>>20813250
The ponies were shorter than Megan in the original series, and Megan was just a kid herself.

They're little ponies, dude or dudette.

Though i still feel that this show is for little girls and little girls only, i cannot ignore its success on /co/.

You win MLP, i accept your threads right to exist, and you can have /co/...for now.

until the next flavor of the month comes along

>>20813396
Guy who requested this.>>20813193.
Same here, hitting the sack now too. Will have more ideas too. The rest of you bronies, I expect to see this thread maxed out so we can have this thread placed as another brick in our wall of Friendship before I return. You got that? The Wall of Friendship must continue to grow!

I just finished Part 2 of Frienship is Yadda, and am now thinking of dropping. In fact, I'm pretty sure I'm going to drop the show now. But I may jump back on if /co/ continues to enjoy it.

Fluttershy is still moe~

So stuff from the games really does show up in the show? Hmmm... guess Pinkie Pie really does own a candy store.

>>20813478
well. we're at 260.

I am a drawfag. (I did >>20813131 among a few others). Folks feel free to throw out suggestions. If I feel inspired I'll see what I can do. (I plan on being up at least another hour).

>>20812383
>Pony up!

There's a fucking sparkle cap?!

I MAD AT GAEM FOR BABBY

>>20813364
I'm not into shipping either, but she is fun to draw, so I thought, "why not?"

>>20813509
wot?

>>20813165
Pliers and a snail.

>>20813535
So...snips and snails?

>>20813545
You may have something there. That is what little boys are made of.

>>20813535
>>20813545
Mind blown.

>>20813524
Forgot my pic.

Snips and Snails. OF COURSE.

>>will never team with ponys
>>not in MvsC3
>>feels bad to be Venom

>>20813637
Cheer up, Venom.

>>20813506
>>20813650
Fluttershy as Venom
Or Venom hugging Fluttershy.
Take your pick.

>>20813650
>>20813676

>>20813557
What the fuck is this? Where did this shit come from?

When I was growing up, it was always SNAKES and snails and puppy dog tails!

>>20813696
How old are you? I'm familiar with "snips and snails" myself.

>>20813705
26 (sup, it's Tiara)

What the fuck is a snip? Snakes makes way more sense to me.

>>20813721
Oh howdy.

And yeah, you're only two years older than me. Either it changed really suddenly, or there's variant versions or something.

>>20813676
ref for VENOM HUG!

>>20813721
27, I've always known it as snip. (Snips of hair is what it means I think)

>>20813676
I'm so not into Venom. I do like Fluttershy though. Hmm.

>>20813721
A lock of pubes.

>>20813696
Back in my day, it was SLIME and snails, and puppy dog tails! There was also thunder and lightning, you darn kids!

>>20813721
Pieces of fingernails snipped off by a scissor perhaps? I dunno, makes more sense with snakes if you as me.

http://lolilovesvenom.livejournal.com/

A better reference for venom and hugging.

The rowdy rough boys were not made of snakes.
but they should have been

they were made of snips off hair off of some prisoners armpit

I always knew it as slugs and snails.

>>20813721

I'm with >>20813744
31, and I grew up with "snips and snails and puppydog tails."

I was too young to give a shit. When I grew up enough to question it, I assumed it was like, being snippy with someone or something.

I DO have a theory that what you grew up with is somewhat regional, though. Southeastern, here, for what it's worth.

>>20813850
Glorious California master-race here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Are_Little_Boys_Made_Of%3F

Here is a representative modern version of the lyrics:

What are little boys made of?
What are little boys made of?
Frogs and snails
And puppy-dogs' tails,
That's what little boys are made of.

As would be expected given its status in popular tradition, the rhyme appears in many variant forms. For example, other versions may describe boys as being made of "slugs", "snakes", or "snips", rather than "frogs" as above.

In the earliest known versions, the first ingredient for boys is either "snips" or "snigs", the latter being a Cumbrian dialect word for a small eel.

>>20813864
>frogs

BULL. FUCKING. SHIT. That doesn't even start with S.

Wiki to the rescue

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Are_Little_Boys_Made_Of%3F

>>20813864

Tell me again, why are we made of this crap?

And in a related note, why is a girl's worth like 100x a boy's worth?

>>20813696
>>20813752
>>20813828
>Bitches don't know 'bout my Eureka's castle.

They played this rhyme every episode. It was snips.

>>20813873
So zetta slow!

drawfag here. As it's been the only request, currently doing a very quick Venom hugging Fluttershy. Gimme about 5-10 to finish and scan it

>>20813902
Because girls are the master race. What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>20813907
I had the BIGGEST CRUSH EVER on Eureka. Holy shit, man.

>>20813907
>Eureka's Castle

This... this sounds very familiar. It's like I'm instinctively nostalgia-ing over something I've forgotten, or only saw once, or heard a friend mention...

>>20813907
Wait. Did it have a big muppet dragon?

>>20813937
thank you kind Anonymous

>>20813938

Im made of snails, puppy dog tails and snips(or frogs, or snakes, or whatever), that's whats wrong.

>feelsbadman.jpg

>>20813943
picnic time

New thread
>>20813968

>>20813907

while on the topic of Eureeka, raise your hand if you never noticed she had horns when you were a kid.

>>20813907
Tell you, it was SLIME, because David Bowie said so!

Actually, it's weird. I could swear it was slugs, but recently I heard it with slime.

We reached +300 posts already? Sweet!

somebody cap the thread for the Wall.

I'll post the venom pic in the new thread.

>>20814011

Now i kinda wish people didn't leave this one, what chances are there we ever talk about eureeka's castle ever again?

>>20814025
Well we can continue our discussion on it here if you want.
>>20813968
Plus we need to screen cap this thread before it gets 404'd!

Capped!

Bump for harmony