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    76 KB Ishmael !!KixHTyNeE0Y 08/16/10(Mon)17:18 No.19424254  
    Okay, so basically his accent makes him sound like a Nantucket Fisherman.

    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)17:23 No.19424327
    He has that Innsmouth look, too.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)17:24 No.19424349
    I thought it made him talk like Dr. Orpheus
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)17:26 No.19424389
    And he wears lipstick.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)17:26 No.19424393
    I always assumed he spoke with a heavy german accent
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)17:26 No.19424395
    No, apparently it makes him "Gilly Potter."
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)17:27 No.19424409
    He doesn't wear lipstick.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)17:28 No.19424420
    The Hell?

    Man, I always thought Orson Welles.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)17:29 No.19424432
    Thought that was just part of being a subspecies...which i find strange that that makes them high on the caste. Most subspecies things would seem more fitting of a low caste, or not even on it.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)17:30 No.19424442
    Probably just a poor choice of words.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)17:30 No.19424453
    So if his Vs become Ws, then are his Ws really quadruples or something? I'm just assuming he sounds like an underwater Prussian.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)17:30 No.19424455
    I read his accent as being a Dorset accent.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)17:30 No.19424456
    I've given up trying to apply a mental association to his voice.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)17:31 No.19424461
    Ideas on what he named his lusus?

    Or more specifically, what Andrew is listening to us say and inadvertently have us name his lusus?
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)17:31 No.19424471
    Nope! Being different from the norm is what makes him better than the rest. I just remember I need to go finish reading The Shadow Over Innsmouth.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)17:32 No.19424487
    It's that or huge, protruding fish lips because none of the other boys have visibly colored lips even in hero mode.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)17:33 No.19424508
    Troll lips are natuarlly black. His just stand out more than most.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)17:34 No.19424532
    It's Pegasus! The seahorse version.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)17:35 No.19424562
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    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)17:41 No.19424662
    It can't be makeup, he's too flamboyant to pick a natural color. He's just liverlipped.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)17:43 No.19424702
    Like someone else we all know?
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)17:43 No.19424703

    I think the proper term in this case would be Hussie-lipped.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)17:45 No.19424745
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    Problem, reader?
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    >> Ishmael !!KixHTyNeE0Y 08/16/10(Mon)17:57 No.19424973
    I don't think Hussie frequents 4chan. At all.

    He seems so intent on the MSPA Forums when he opens a suggestion box, anyway.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)17:57 No.19424992
    That's what he wants you to think.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)17:59 No.19425014
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    Compared to most other trolls, we got way too much Vriska.

    But it never feels like enough.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)17:59 No.19425020
    We got far too little Gamzee.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:00 No.19425036
    I just noticed he has wizards in his room.

    Yes I am unobservant.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:01 No.19425060
    Not just any wizards. The same wizards from Rose's house. I wouldn't be surprised if he had a journal about Troll Zazzerpan.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:03 No.19425088
    I hope him and Rose have a wizard off. Also I hope somehow the kids and trolls meet up in person. That would be pretty tight.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:07 No.19425137
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    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:08 No.19425159

    The kids haven't even met up in person with each other yet.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:10 No.19425196
    Rose's and Dave's dream selves have. The John in Rose's bedroom doesn't really count, though.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:11 No.19425212
    Actually, I can kinda see him fanboying her once she shows him that magic is real.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:15 No.19425270
    Yeah. If they meet. I'm sure that'd only happen if you like, appearify them or something. Or if The Rift is when the two seperate sessions tear the fabric of space/time and start to fuse. Then the twelve Trolls and the Kids team up to fight the Sovereign Slayer. Then that's the end of Homestuck and the start of the Midnight Crew and their fearsome battle against Lord English. The Midnight Crew will, of course, team up with the Exiles to defeat him. This theory is stupid and I should stop typing now.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:15 No.19425274
    Yeah, I guess so. I was kinda mad when John didn't wait for Rose to wake up.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:17 No.19425315

    Dream selves don't really count.
    >> Ishmael !!KixHTyNeE0Y 08/16/10(Mon)18:18 No.19425338
    I like the idea you have for what The Rift could be.

    Maybe thinnies could just start popping up around the sessions' incipispheres?

    Thinny = Stephen King version of a portal.

    Only sometimes it's sentient and eats people.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:21 No.19425387
    The Kids seem to be doing a great job breaking their game so far. Blew up a gate? Brought friend back from the dead and self-prototyped your kernelsprite? Gave a guy who wanted to kill the Black Queen a game breaking weapon? Wouldn't be all to surprising at this point. The whole two sessions merging thing, that is. I'm pretty sure we all know The Rift has something to do with the space/time thingywhateverthehellitscalled.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:23 No.19425425
    John never struck me as being the patient type. He's the kind of guy that just does whatever without stopping to think about it.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:27 No.19425512
    He's just really suggestible. He likely wasn't as bad about it before he started receiving subconscious commands from the future.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:31 No.19425587
    I'm still waiting for Rose to turn completely batshit insane. Like, Troll level insanity. And for Dave to actually do something besides look cool. and for Jade to stop fucking falling. In short, I'm just waiting for Hivebent to be over. Not that I don't like the Trolls or anything, but the 5x cliffhanger combo after Descend is bugging me.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:32 No.19425620
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    When Hivebent ends, it'll cut to the Guardians preparing for battle against Jack.

    Then he kills them one by one.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:34 No.19425657
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    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:36 No.19425700
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    It's okay. He comes back.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:36 No.19425702
    Then we cut to a scene where Dave takes Bro's hat. It'll be really sad and unexpected. We see John taking Dad's pipe or something. And Rose takes Mom's uhhh, Mom's martini? Hell, I dunno.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:37 No.19425707
    my god
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:38 No.19425728
    in the hivebent session jack isn't an awesome god of destruction though, that's only in the kid's game
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:38 No.19425738
    Hussie said that if they had met face-to-face they would have had a romantic encounter.

    So be glad they didn't.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:38 No.19425743
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    He's going to attack Mom, which will cause Dad to get in the way and get stabbed. He'll then strangle Mom with one of those tentacles and finally tire out Bro enough to get a fatal attack in. He crushes Dad's pipe, cuts apart Mom's scarf, and breaks Bro's sword in the battle. Then it's time for STRIFE.

    Dave ends up wearing Bro's glasses, John wears his father's hat, and Rose probably knits her mother's scarf back together. Just because Hussie feeds off of sadness.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:39 No.19425749
    I don't even know where to start with you
    >> Ishmael !!KixHTyNeE0Y 08/16/10(Mon)18:39 No.19425753
    Mom's scarf. And John might take Dad's fedora, too.

    Didn't Terezi (maybe it was Karkat?) say Rose decided to be the "Smart Rose" this session as opposed to another session where the kids all die?
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:39 No.19425761
    Rose already has the martini IIRC.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:40 No.19425767
    He's talking about Sovereign Slayer, the Jack from the Kids session. Duhhhh.
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    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:41 No.19425797
    SS vs CT & Bro


    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:42 No.19425804
    You're thinking Kanaya. And she thought John was Rose from that one time when John was in Rose's room talking to Kan. John was obviously using Rose's account.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:42 No.19425810
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    Just imagine it. Dave finally realizing that his awesome Bro really isn't invincible. Then his Bro gives him a weak thumbs up before he finally passes away, causing Dave to shed a few tears.

    You don't see them, of course. They're hidden by his sunglasses.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:43 No.19425837
    No. Dave will take off his sunglasses and wipe away a tear. He'll have his back turned of course, as he stands looking down at Bro's lifeless corpse.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:44 No.19425863
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    >We were gonna do it, Bro...
    >We were gonna make it happen...
    >> Ishmael !!KixHTyNeE0Y 08/16/10(Mon)18:44 No.19425870
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    Right, right. It's been a while...

    On that note, I really fucking want to get back to the kids.

    But I'm interested to see what Hussie's gonna make callouts to with Eridan
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:45 No.19425876
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    Hussie would be just the person to do this...
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:45 No.19425891
    Then he'll take Bro's glasses. Bro's uncovered eyes will be as Lil Cal's.
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    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:46 No.19425916
    He used to wear a copy of Bro's shades, but then John gave him the Ben Stiller shades and he wears those now.
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    >plans. All of them.

    You would redefine what it means to be CULLED in troll society. Under your rule it would mean caring for the unfit and infirm rather than exterminating them, and you have put this idea into practice by CULLING THE FAUNA OF THE DEEP. You tend to wild and beautiful AQUATIC HOOFBEASTS, grooming and feeding them daily. You capture and cage CUTTLEFISH by the thousands for their own good, and also because they are funny and colorful and you love them. They often swim through the bars of their cages, but that is fine. You run your whole palace as a sort of WILDLIFE ADOPTION FACILITY, even if the wildlife's need for care is dubious at best, and the practice really just amounts to an elaborate ROLE PLAYING SCENARIO. It's still fun though.

    She's a fucking angel.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:48 No.19425966
    And for some reason, I don't like her.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:48 No.19425970
    Is that a fucking iPad?
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:48 No.19425980
    Oh, hey! Tavros and Karkat could have survived anyway if their planet hadn't burned down.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:48 No.19425983
    so we've got princess Jesus and genocidal Harry Potter
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:48 No.19425987
    Why yes, yes it is. That was very observant of you.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:49 No.19425990
    She's sea-Jade.
    >> Ishmael !!KixHTyNeE0Y 08/16/10(Mon)18:50 No.19426023
    He looked sort of stupid in them as a kid, though. At least his sprite anyway.

    How about Dave takes his bro's glasses and is from then on out only drawn in hero mode?
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:51 No.19426031
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    >Spades seapony: Stab everyone
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    >Dave takes his bro's glasses and is from then on out only drawn in hero mode

    Excellent idea.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:52 No.19426068
    I hope that one day John's Man Grit will max out and he and Equius will go in a one-on-one Hulk-out.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:52 No.19426070

    You mean Jegus?
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:52 No.19426083
    Or, he could take Bro's hat and his awesome ninja sword. Because that would, you know, not suck.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:53 No.19426092
    homosuck is shit
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:53 No.19426098
    That's like asking for Tavros to grow a spine. It ain't gonna happen.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:53 No.19426107
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    Does Jack have any sort of plan or motive besides omnicide?
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:53 No.19426118
    Bro's sword is a cheap piece of shit. He's just really good.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:54 No.19426123
    >CC and CA: First, be the seaponies, second, trample Vriska.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:54 No.19426144
    Nobody knows!
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:54 No.19426145
    No. Just general omnicide. Maybe some sort of vague plan to take over the Multiverse.
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    Hey, you. Fuck you.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:56 No.19426197
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    Imagination is a powerful thing
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:56 No.19426200

    Hmm. The Rift. I do wonder where we could have heard this term before?
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:57 No.19426236
    hard to tell at this point in time.
    my guess is that his motivation is to take over - to win the war and rule derse forever.
    wrecking skaia and killing the kids are just to make sure nothing can come bite him in the ass later.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)18:58 No.19426272
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    He seemed pretty intelligent before. Or, at least, he wasn't a total idiot. Maybe he just snapped and went into KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL mode.
    >> Problem Sleuth 08/16/10(Mon)19:00 No.19426315
    I like how the two sea dwellers are basically extreme polar opposites.
    >> The Harlequin Rose 08/16/10(Mon)19:00 No.19426325

    ~♥When Nana Egbert explained it was that the people of Prospit are supposed to protect Skaia while the people of Derse are trying to destroy it.

    I'm assuming that Jack plans on killing everybody, then doing the job himself. He's already crashed a moon into Skaia.♥~
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:00 No.19426334
    Putting on the Black Queen's ring made him go mad with power. I'm pretty sure we all saw his face in Descend. Not to mention that look at the end of WV: Rise Up.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:00 No.19426343
    Judging by this, if she ever found out about Karkat's blood colour she'd try to put him in a cage.
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    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:01 No.19426366
    He'd just swim out through the bars.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:02 No.19426400
    What is this.
    What are you doing.
    Stop that this instant.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:03 No.19426432
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:03 No.19426442
    No, like glubus.

    >> The Harlequin Rose 08/16/10(Mon)19:05 No.19426483

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    I figured his rage was based around the knowledge that he was a game construct.

    Just imagine if you were a villainous NPC in a game, knowing ultimately that at best you'd escape the heroes, at worst die in combat with them. Jack across all sessions won't stand for this, so he takes whatever measures he can to rise above his role as a construct. In the trolls' session this meant taking an opportunity to side with the heroes to save his own skin, but that was largely because he lacked the power to overthrow the royalty himself. In the kids' session he was given the means to do so, but is still very much aware of the game being a prison to him. From there the course of action is clear: destroy the game.

    ...least that's how I see it.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:05 No.19426514
    A cage in her room, with Tavros and Terezi.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:05 No.19426516
    Dad can't die. He's Lord English.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:06 No.19426524
    Stupid awful shit is stupid and awful. I have a question for you children: how big are you jncos and how greasy is your hair? when was the last time you saw a nu-metal band.
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    i read this as nancho letrs have a nancho party
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:08 No.19426585
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    >>How dare people like something that I don't! INSOLENT FOOLS!
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:08 No.19426599
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    >when was the last time you saw a nu-metal band.
    I know I should respond to trolls, but this was funny.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:08 No.19426603
    I kind of hope it's revealed that Jack somehow retains memories of what he does for each session of the game and has been working up to this moment of taking over the game.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:09 No.19426635
    There's one flaw in that theory though. He has no clue he's just a game construct. How would he even go about finding out such a thing? Unless a certain Witch wrote him a letter that was included in a certain green package...
    >> The Harlequin Rose 08/16/10(Mon)19:10 No.19426668

    Never. Not my cup of tea. Doesn't tickle my fancy. Doesn't float my boat. Doesn't douche my asshole. Doesn't lick my taint. Doesn't sugar my coat. Doesn't skip to my loo.
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    I know nothing of this "nu-metal" you're speaking of.

    I was listening to some Slough Feg this morning though.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:11 No.19426684
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    >Under your rule it would mean caring for the unfit and infirm rather than exterminating them
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:11 No.19426690
    That's a stupid theory and you should feel bad for posting it. Remember the Bandicoots? They're all different Jacks. Same NPC, different sessions.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:12 No.19426707
    Those fucking eyes, man.
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    It's going to be Gamzee, imo. The Queen falls for the Jester. This does not go well for the King. King goes all Ahab on Gamzee's lusus.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:13 No.19426732
    No! GamzeexFeferi OTP.
    hOnK hOnK
    glub glub
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:14 No.19426771

    The Guardians probably will die andI I bet each one of them knows it.

    Think about it.
    Dad collects information on the meteor strikes.

    Bro had that Skaia application on his computer and he knew about Dave coming from the meteor.

    Mom has access to the Lab next door from her room and has already preset the ectobiology for Jaspers.

    Each one of the Guardians has knowledge of Sburb, even if it's not obvious.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:14 No.19426772
    the awareness that this is a game he'll never ever quite fit in is something i've figured is a part of jack's motivation for a while now
    even as archagent, he's a jack
    and when's the last time you saw a jack on a chessboard
    then again, exchanging the deterministic, perfectly visible nature of chess for a card game in which draws are random and other hands are unknown.... it's an exchange that more people than just jack might appreciate.
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    No fuck you
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:14 No.19426777
    I guarantee you no one is impressed by your name dropping some band you have two mp3's of from an unfinished soulseek session,
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:15 No.19426808
    There's a point where this has to stop and we've clearly passed it.
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    Goddamn I need to update my shipping wall like crazy.
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    Says you
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:17 No.19426860
    i support this notion
    it's probably fate
    feFAIRY PIXIES and all
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:18 No.19426906
    Jack = bishop on a chess set.
    >> theorizedCorporal !zLuevAmNa6 08/16/10(Mon)19:18 No.19426913
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    >my face when Feferi and Tavros as well as Vriska and Eridan become possible in ONE UPDATE

    >my face when I don't give a single fuck about the lesbian
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:20 No.19426940
    Vriska/Eridan has been obvious from his very first chatlog.
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    Those two are practically canon by now.
    >> Ishmael !!KixHTyNeE0Y 08/16/10(Mon)19:21 No.19426966
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    >it's an exchange that more people than just jack might appreciate.

    Are you implying there may be several more parties at work in this war of inter-dimensional magnitudes, the smae way the Felt may be a third kingdom?

    Because I really fucking hope you are.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:21 No.19426971
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    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:21 No.19426979
    Those two have been canon since "he wants you to touch his bone lump or something."
    >> Ishmael !!KixHTyNeE0Y 08/16/10(Mon)19:21 No.19426983
    why the hell did I spoiler that
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:22 No.19426998
    But like the kids, we will see nothing of it directly until much, much later. Like the next act.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:22 No.19427011
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    >You would also look forward to using your reign to UNITE THE TWO RACES.
    >My face when the lusus's whisperings actually referred to Humans and Trolls rather than Trolls and Ocean Trolls
    >> Ishmael !!KixHTyNeE0Y 08/16/10(Mon)19:22 No.19427025
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    The only time I'm fond of shipping of any kind.

    It is with these two.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:23 No.19427029

    That would be more like Diamonds Droog. He is the smarter and taller than Jack. Jack seems more like a knight, while HB is a rook and CD is a pawn. They are the four archagents, the strongest of their kind.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:23 No.19427041
    The Felt are created through a mutated version of the MEOW code. Lord English tried to create a being similar to the Guardians, and failed.
    >> The Harlequin Rose 08/16/10(Mon)19:24 No.19427060

    So she has the same "whispered to by dark gods from beyond the veil" thing as Rose. ♥
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:24 No.19427070
    It's not like Kanaya <3 Vriska even conflicts with Vriska {> Eridan. That's the beauty of suited romance :33
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:25 No.19427074
    so she's a blatant mary sue, is she? is this what is being mocked here or something?
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:25 No.19427084
    Jack was a Jack. Now he's an Ace.

    We've seen the other pieces, they're mostly giant lumbering golems that the Kings throw at each other.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:26 No.19427112
    Off-panel canon, anyway. They don't start in on eachother until they're in the Veil and talking to John, by the time we're caught up with them again we'll be back in Homestuck proper and romance doesn't exist there.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:27 No.19427119
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    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:27 No.19427120
    Probably. Same as Kanaya and Jade.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:27 No.19427133
    ok completely out there theory time, but someone take a screen shot because if i'm right I'll never stop gloating

    none of the main characters will ever fight Jack/SS... because he's on their side

    Midnight Crew SS was shown to be an enemy of Lord English, and I think its been shown that LE is behind the game's existence, with Jack always placed under the queens direct rule and he hates it.

    also Rose has independently realized that the game is the real enemy and has stopped playing by the rules, and she's probably unaware of Jack at that point

    Jack is probably responsible for Bec being earth's "first guardian", ensuring that isn't a malevolent agent of the demon, but a "good dog; best friend"

    this is all going to end up with something happening that destroys lord english before he can appear, but to do that they need to destroy the game, which would cause every character to never have existed
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:28 No.19427155
    So I was thinking, if Spades and the Queen are Kismesiseses, then does that mean CD is their Auspistice? Is DD her Moirail? Is HB...

    ... I don't even want to think of that.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:28 No.19427163
    Other possibility which came up after Punnet Square Shenanigans and is now -eerily plausible-:

    Karkat and Feferi.

    * Only one of your kind with this groovy blood.

    * Only one of your kind with this shitty blood.

    * Cares for the weak and infirm.

    * Is an outcast because of the very same caste system.

    * One of a kind water-dweller that wants to unite water and land.

    * One of a kind land-dweller who is repulsed by the sight of his own blood because of that disunity.

    * They're the two ends of the color wheel and Karkat is the missing link.

    Hell, they're even a match astrologically.

    Only, Feferi would probably just annoy Karkat. A lot. He'd probably interpret her sympathies as patronizing and find her exceptionally high standing in the troll-ladder uncomfortable.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:28 No.19427164
    Jack is responsible for the death of Dream Jade.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:28 No.19427165

    The felt will be made when the kids or DD finds a Prospitan/Dersian soldier production facility. A new race will be made with the combinations of Dersian, Prospitan and MEOW code genetic material. Something tells me DD may be working for English, he's doing so much important shit in the kids' session while HB is dead and CD is farting about on Derse.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:28 No.19427172

    Dave breaks his glasses with his bare hands, grabs his brother's pair, cue Upwards Movement.
    >> adjacentJusticar !!rvojPgNQl3n 08/16/10(Mon)19:29 No.19427194
    So gentlemen. How far have we got so far on the 4chan Homestuck Session? I assume you all came up with the names and shit by now and possibly found a drawfag who has a lot of time to kill for us
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:29 No.19427197
    i'm implying that if your goal is to break the cycle, breaking its deterministic nature is a good first step
    although how all this ties in with english's paradox-warranted goals and methods is probably going to be just as crazy
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:30 No.19427216
    CD is her Moirail. DD is their Auspitice. HB just don't fit in nowhere. Black King is obviously her matesprit.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:30 No.19427240

    That was my idea and looking back on it it's awful.
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    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:31 No.19427251
    They wouldn't be in direct combat if they had one, and they aren't proper kismeses anyway, just the best example of such a relationship in the comic.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:31 No.19427258
    he sounds like otto aquarius from vventure brothers
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:32 No.19427282
    Your enemy's enemy is just the enemy of your enemy, nothing more and nothing less. Both Jack and English have their motives, but so far none of them seem to care for the Players.

    Although I do think the Kids won't duel Jack, maybe weaken him with the aid of the Trolls(Who should have skipped sessions already at this point), WV will, with the White Queen's Ring.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:32 No.19427286
    we're using a separate thread for it, right now it's >>19413722
    >> Ishmael !!KixHTyNeE0Y 08/16/10(Mon)19:33 No.19427300
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    >Jack is probably responsible for Bec being earth's "first guardian", ensuring that isn't a malevolent agent of the demon, but a "good dog; best friend"

    Actually, that was Diamonds Droog who was responsible for that, and among other things seems the type of character who would be a double-agent in this situation.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:33 No.19427301
    In one of the Exposition pages, the Huss says it's glaringly obvious. To the Trolls at least. Why would he use them as an example if it weren't a proper kismesis?
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:33 No.19427305
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    Possible, but Karkat/Terezi works too well and has been a thing since the days when we hardly knew anything about the trolls, so I'd rather it stick around.

    I'm also wondering if Diamonds Droog is actually on Jack's side in the Earth game. It seems more like he's working behind his back.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:33 No.19427312
    Not him. PM is the new queen.
    >> adjacentJusticar !!rvojPgNQl3n 08/16/10(Mon)19:33 No.19427318
    cheers brohiem
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:35 No.19427358
    "cuestick" genius
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:35 No.19427372
    We've already established that it's the Guardians who will face down the Sovereign Slayer. The Kids have bigger fish to fry. And by fish I mean frogs. And by frogs I mean Lord English.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:36 No.19427374
    Those glasses were a gift from john, Dave threw away the glasses bro gave him you fucking idiot
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:37 No.19427408
    Seconded. It always seemed likely to me that WV would object to using the ring himself on moral grounds (the whole hatred of kings and double-hatred of power-grabbing kings).
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:38 No.19427437

    He grabs HIS BROTHER'S PAIR. As in, from his corpse.

    Read before snapping, bro.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:38 No.19427441

    >WV will, with the White Queen's Ring.

    I believe you mean PM. There could be some bullshit about Dersians and Prospitans that only lets a Dersian wear the Black ring and a Prospitan the white ring.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:38 No.19427442
    Guardians are going to get offed soon.
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    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:40 No.19427485
    Yeah, offed fighting the Sovereign Slayer. They give up their lives to give the Kids a chance to defeat him, then the Kids are going to face down Lord English. That or Jack really is the final boss of the Kids session and it'll end up being the Midnight Crew and the Exiles facing down English in an entirely new series:
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:41 No.19427529
    shit will only go down if bec gets prototyped, otherwise the kids will always have the upper hand to trash jack since they're (presumably) his only source of acquiring more power
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:41 No.19427535
    There's no shipping conflict, Terezi's a kismesis. Or an obnoxious, teasing matesprit, and Feferi's a big enough sweetheart so far that she could be a kismesis without realizing, irritating the fuck out him and trying to trap him for his own good.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:43 No.19427577
    That's the thing about Trollmance, you can have all your pairings. Which is why The Huss made it so needlessly complicated, then went through a shitton of needless exposition.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:43 No.19427581
    Maybe, and hell, we're not even accounting the Old Gods.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:44 No.19427609


    Would be nice if it could be updated to reflect Feferi's appearance, but I ain't complaining otherwise!
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:45 No.19427626
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    And I forgot the picture. FUUUUUUUUCK
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:45 No.19427644
    It's glaringly obvious that Bec will be prototyped.

    >Across every session ever played, exceptions to this pattern are extremely rare.

    And we all know Jade is a game breaker.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:47 No.19427705
    The Outer Gods are just side-characters. They wait and watch, but they ain't gonna do shit. That's why they're called gods, you know.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:52 No.19427817
    dimestore Rose.

    Jade's aware of the mechanics, but she's a slave to them. Lalonde made it her mission to start fucking the system.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:53 No.19427833
    both the gods and the skaian clouds are part of the game and giving info that the game wants you to know, so if you do what they want you're carrying out the demon's will
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:53 No.19427843

    Terezi probably likes him 'that way'. (And red is her favorite color.) The chemistry they appear to have so far is something.

    Feferi will want to make him all better, and unless they come to a mutual understanding of one another quick (which is possible due to points of relation; mutual dislike of the caste system, colors that are dangerous to be, etc.) she'll just push him away and be oblivious to the fact. His attitude doesn't seem like something that would work with hers.

    As we saw with Jack, he really just wants to belong. Being told that he's fine the way he is might soften him up. That he's perfectly able and not at all weak or infirm might actually keep Feferi from regarding him as an object of pity, but we don't know much about her yet.

    Her gravitating toward an equally hateless Tavros (who also communes with animals) seems possible.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:56 No.19427901
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    CA Tom Waits is amazing.
    >> Neo !!lveP0BfzWhU 08/16/10(Mon)19:57 No.19427936
    VriskaxEridan is canon.

    It IS canon.

    They ARE kismesis.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)19:59 No.19427983

    why harro there generalivan
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:00 No.19428003
    They would be if not for Kanaya austispicing them.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:02 No.19428036
    It must really sting to be hatedumped for a non-aggressive lump of cripple.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:02 No.19428037
    It also means that Bec probably won't die, either.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:03 No.19428054
    its mostly eridan being pissy about not getting his doomsday device but he apparently holds a grudge so...
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:03 No.19428057
    They were kismeses(how the fuck do you conjugate that?) before she got dumped.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:04 No.19428084
    Is he spectating Equius?
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:05 No.19428103
    Of course he ain't going to die. How do you kill an omnipotent dog? Put some antifreeze in his steak?
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:06 No.19428116

    Nah, I'm not Ivan.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:06 No.19428133
    Ivan posts with a trip.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:07 No.19428151
    fucker eats uranium... don't think antifreeze would stop him
    >> Hiro !J02Ujjg4Nw 08/16/10(Mon)20:07 No.19428158
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    >You capture and cage CUTTLEFISH by the thousands for their own good, and also because they are funny and colorful and you love them.

    oh god my heart
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:10 No.19428233
    Chill. Everything else prototyped has been dead so far and since it's heavily implied that Bec will be prototyped, history suggested that he would die, too.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:12 No.19428268
    Oh god, I can only imagine how powerful Jack would become.

    But for Jade I want..
    Tier 1: Suit of armor
    Tier 2: Grandpa
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:12 No.19428271
    >> NotAnon !Frz2YYuFcA 08/16/10(Mon)20:12 No.19428287
    THat said they dont need to be dead.
    i.e. Future!Dave
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:13 No.19428316
    Nanna was a Tier 2 prototype. After the Harlequin
    >> Ishmael !!KixHTyNeE0Y 08/16/10(Mon)20:15 No.19428336
    Feferi's lusus dying = Rift/Humans and Trolls together?

    Or just Sea Dwellers and Land Dwellers?
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:16 No.19428365
    Nanna was dead, though. I myself can't imagine anything killing Bec. He's been alive for 413 millions years, he'll probably jump into Jade's kernel or something. And then Jack will gain the properties of a dog with none of the omnipotence.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:17 No.19428393
    No, stupid. Feferi's lusus died before the Trolls game even began. The Trolls are trolling the Kids after they finish their game. The Rift is when the Kids fuck over space/time itself. Probably has something to do with Jade entering the Medium considering the Trolls lose contact with them shortly afterwards.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:17 No.19428397
    >GL'BGOLYB, a deep sea monster also known as THE RIFT'S CARBUNCLE, EMISSARY TO THE HORRORTERRORS, or in more hushed tones, SPEAKER OF THE VAST GLUB"

    GL'BGOLYB- probably would be said as glub glub
    THE RIFT'S CARBUNCLE- a carbuncle is a boil+ reference to the rift that they keep bothering the kids about
    HORRORTERRORS- an omniscient, omnipotent order of the elite few, forever cloaked in the darkness of the FURTHEST RING.(from rose's book)
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:18 No.19428426
    >> NotAnon !Frz2YYuFcA 08/16/10(Mon)20:19 No.19428436
    I figured he would prototyped afther entering the medium. thus denying Jack the chanse for omnipotance.
    also Sqiddlesprite
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:19 No.19428442
    I think The Rift mentioned in this context would be a sea rift. A really, really, really, really deep one. Feferi's lusus is a deep one. Feferi and Eridan are residents of Innsmouth. Karkat is their cousin. He will mutate into a sea dweller by the end of the story. Then he will go live with others of his kind in the undewater city of Ry'leh.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:20 No.19428459
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    >Ask question

    >"No, stupid."

    God damn it, /co/
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:20 No.19428470
    That would be no fun. Jade is a professional gamebreaker. She's only going to prototype her sprite once. With Bec. Before entry, obviously. Becsprite will then fuck over space/time in some way. That, or the Sovereign Slayer will.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:21 No.19428481
    But having a Becsprite would be extremley game breaking. Far more so than the Robo-Bunny could ever hope to be.

    Aside from that, Grandpa is a much more likley candidate.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:21 No.19428488
    That's what you get for asking such a stupid question, stupid.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:23 No.19428542

    So I'm guessing that OLD GOD sprite is not game breaking then
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:24 No.19428558
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    She'll prototype the kernelsprite with Bec pre-entry, turning Jack into a tiny god.

    Then she'll enter the game, and Tier 2 prototype it with her own stuffed corpse from the dream world, creating AnthroJadesprite.
    >> NotAnon !Frz2YYuFcA 08/16/10(Mon)20:24 No.19428570
    But then thered be a Guardin!Grandpa AND Grandpasprite
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:25 No.19428584
    In addition to all the other monstrous prototypings? Nope, not at all. Cthulhusprite isn't gamebreaking at all. Nope, not one bit.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:25 No.19428586
    Wait, do you mean Feferi's Lusus?
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:26 No.19428604
    Yeah, Cthulusus.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:27 No.19428618
    Grandpa isn't the guardian. He has a face.
    >> Newdog15 !iY.gz4t4uI 08/16/10(Mon)20:28 No.19428629

    "Dead or doomed". He was probably about to cease to exist as his timeline was invalidated, just as Future Rose did.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:29 No.19428652
    It's best not to dwell on weird time shit. It's better to just roll with it, you know?
    >> Ishmael !!KixHTyNeE0Y 08/16/10(Mon)20:29 No.19428663
    Technically, that Grandpa is the exact same Grandpa we would be prototyping.

    So it would just be a temporal paradox for Sprite!Grandpa and Still-Alive Grandpa to come into contact with one another.
    >> NotAnon !Frz2YYuFcA 08/16/10(Mon)20:30 No.19428677
    Well crap
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:31 No.19428697

    You become...

    My God!

    You become...!

    Ace Dick. God your imagination is shitty. if your imagination had a face, you would punch it. in the face.
    >> NotAnon !Frz2YYuFcA 08/16/10(Mon)20:31 No.19428699
    THe univers eat paradoxes for breakfast
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:31 No.19428715
    Not really. Gramps knew he would die and be stuffed by his adopted yet biological granddaughter. We still have yet to see just how much each Guardian knows about the Game itself, though. Dad seemed to be researching the meteors, but that was probably to track down Mom. Mom was working for Gramps. Bro is just to awesome to be bothered by any of that shit. Gramps had presumably come back from the Medium when the Kids meteors struck. Bec knows everything, but he can't talk because he's a fucking dog.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:32 No.19428717
    Not even a paradox since the sprite would be his corpse in the future. Hassprite could even remember meeting his own sprite self in the past.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:33 No.19428758
    Eh, probably to a degree.

    But because in the Troll session the Black Queen gave up the throne means Jack never became the monster he did in the Kid's session.

    So the Trolls never went way off course like the kid's.

    But we currently do not know the big bad of the Troll session to know the full effects of their prototypings. Maybe the Parcel Mistress. :P
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:35 No.19428790
    Bec knows everything because he was supposed to be the servant of a demon at the end of time and guiding human culture to be awesome at the game,just like doc scratch, but failed because he's a fucking dog
    >> Newdog15 !iY.gz4t4uI 08/16/10(Mon)20:37 No.19428825
    Even better: She first prototypes her sprite with her own stuffed corpse, and then with her grandfather's!
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:37 No.19428826
    Well if you wanna get technical, glasses aren't facial features, Nor is a mustache.

    Both Nanna and Grandpa have only mouths.
    And Sassacre had Dad's nose and a mustache.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:37 No.19428838
    Just because he's a Guardian doesn't mean he serves English. Hell, English is probably Skaia's Guardian for all we know. Each Guardian has a purpose. Doc Scratch's purpose was to bring about Lord English's summoning. We don't know what Bec's purpose is. To bring about The Rift? To break the game? Who the fuck knows?
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:39 No.19428877

    The big bad of the trolls' session was the 12x prototyped black king. Jack only beat the kids' one so easily because he had the ring and got the jump on him so he could destroy his sceptre and take his crown. Right now, Sovereign Slayer is both a king and queen so when he took the white sceptre, the reckoning happened pre-emptively. Jade's not even in the game yet and the reckoning is meant to be one of the final events of the game.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:39 No.19428879
    It's obvious to the trolls because that's how the trolls view romance, but spades slick is not a troll. His relationship with the queen being what it is looks exactly like kismesis to a troll, but I doubt that it's rooted in the same primal drive as troll romance is. Nor do they view their relationship as mandatory. They are just fated to hate each other and want to fuck at the same time.

    This relationship does not imply that SS has all the other troll romance feelings for anyone. Once again, he is not a troll. He doesn't need a moirail and auspitice and matespirit, he just hates the queen and the trolls see their relationship to be the same as their weird fucked up caligulous quadrant.
    >> Ishmael !!KixHTyNeE0Y 08/16/10(Mon)20:41 No.19428925
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    Well, what I was going for was that the paradox would be temporal (i.e. temporary) because Hass would be meeting his corpse.

    But if sprites are just affected by the prototyping, and the item itself is disposed from existence, it would just count as time shenanigans.

    Picture related, time shenanigans
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:41 No.19428930

    But that would just make Nannasprite.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:41 No.19428935
    It's a kismesis. Hussie even used it as an example of one. Also, did you even read the Intermission? It's quite obvious there's something more than basic hate going on there. And Kismesis is basically just two people who hate each other so much they want to fuck.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:42 No.19428947
    None of the kids have prototyped with their guardian. I doubt it would be possible to prototype with bec anyway since he's the first guardian of earth or whatever.
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    DD made Bec to try to kill Jack

    It's going to backfire.

    I'm sure DD wasn't too happy about Slick becoming the leader of the Midnight crew.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:43 No.19428973
    All the Trolls have prototyped with their version of a Guardian so far. And prototyping with Bec would be just the sort of game breaking we've come to expect of Jade.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:44 No.19428993
    Well if the Black King is the big bad, what happened to the White King and Queen?

    I don't think we can accurately guess who the Villain is.
    But going on the idea that the Troll and Kid's sessions mirror each other. I'm going to gueess a white exile.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:44 No.19429001
    Bec purpose was probably the same as Scratch's, but the Midnight Crew fucked it up by imbuing the meow code with a non intelligent being

    the gods of the outer ring tried to have the meow code destroyed, so the game was trying to prevent Bec's creation, which means it went against english's goals, so it was a good thing
    (i'm the jack isn't a bad guy theorist from above)
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:44 No.19429004
    Nah, DD was just under orders from his true master, Lord English, to make Bec. He had no idea what he was making him for, though.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:46 No.19429042
    I think it's pretty obvious the White King/Queen are dead. That's what they mean by Black defeats White. Black King kills the White King on the battlefield. Black Queen takes out the White Queen through an extensive network of spies or some shit.
    >> NotAnon !Frz2YYuFcA 08/16/10(Mon)20:47 No.19429065
    except Aradia
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:47 No.19429081

    The white queen and king got offed in the conflict. The white side is destined to lose, remember? They probably died in the fighting as things progressed, but before the trolls were able to actually fight the black king and win.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:48 No.19429096
    The Outer Gods had to have known that plan wouldn't work. They probably knew Dave had the copy and that it would fall into DD's hands. They wanted the original destroyed so that someone didn't get their hands on it and make some other game breaking ectoclone.
    >> NotAnon !Frz2YYuFcA 08/16/10(Mon)20:48 No.19429115
    I think yall are overestimatin DD
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:50 No.19429144
    Yeah, the White King always dies. Derse gets ahold of the meteor-summoning scepter, uses it to attack Skaia, and Skaia sends the meteors to the players' homeworld, bringing them into the game in the first place. The players are to save Skaia when the game is lost and perform the ultimate alchemy, whatever that is.
    >> Anonymous 08/16/10(Mon)20:50 No.19429147
    so i read this whole thread and whatever you are talking about seems really cool. i dont know what you are talking about tho. can someone wiki link me or something?

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