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    324 KB Madoka Thread Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:24 No.46629881  
    Live Stream IS OVER

    Continued from >>46628761

    irc: #madoka @
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:24 No.46629915
    Befriend Madoka

    >> Anonymous !wM5G0xiB/Q 03/03/11(Thu)12:25 No.46629927
    >06 days 23 hours 00 minutes 08 seconds
    Bye in a week /a/.
    >> Wallpaper Guy:Cocaine Pinata. 03/03/11(Thu)12:25 No.46629937
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    why is it piiiinnnkk
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:25 No.46629942
    Don't forget to watch yer teeth
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:25 No.46629947
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    >mfw this episode wasn't as good as I believed, it was actually shit, slideshow for the first half and totally expected death

    Well, good luck next week.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:26 No.46629949

    >Befriend Madoka

    Madoka is Yoko Mk.II
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:26 No.46629951
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    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:26 No.46629955

    It's just bright purple.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:26 No.46629962
    I don't even give a shit about entropy and Kyuubey's true motivation, show ended here for me. There's nothing interesting going on anymore.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:26 No.46629969
    So why can't Hitomi die?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:26 No.46629970
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    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:26 No.46629972
    It's purple, slightly faint because of the street lights

    Are you blind?
    >> Bitches & !Whores/8sg 03/03/11(Thu)12:26 No.46629974
    now i realize why theres so much enmity between madoka and IS fanbases
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:26 No.46629981
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    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:27 No.46629987
    Ok, this made me laugh. Nobody knows about the body, and it's in a hotel room.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:27 No.46629989
    If the Ginga Bishonen were on this show... maybe Kyouko, Sayaka and Mami wouldn't have died ;_;
    >> Wallpaper Guy:Cocaine Pinata. 03/03/11(Thu)12:27 No.46629991

    It better be.


    does she have two penguins? there's one on the far left and one on the shelf above her bed
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:27 No.46629996
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    looks purple to me
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:27 No.46629997
    >>46629548 (poster)
    >>46629856 (herald; mirrored)
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:27 No.46630001
    has nobody seen bokurano??
    the chairs, the kyubei, the whole universe thing, seriously?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:27 No.46630003
    Episode summary?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:27 No.46630005
    Reposting observation from a previous thread.

    Madoka's first line when she wakes up in Episode 1 is "Yumeochi?" (It was all a dream?)

    Yumeochi can also refer specifically to a type of story in which the ending reveals "it was all a dream."

    Prepare your butt for loop back to Episode 1 and possible reset end variation.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:27 No.46630009
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:27 No.46630010
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    lol at IS stream thread
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:27 No.46630012
    Oh, and just since noone's said it yet...

    Being Meguca is Suffering
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:27 No.46630014
    >Current Urobutchery rate of one character per episode

    But the average rate it 1 every three episodes.

    Everyone is cool until the final.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:27 No.46630015
    is there a raw yet? is there a raw yet? is there a raw yet? is there a raw yet? is there a raw yet? is there a raw yet? is there a raw yet?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:28 No.46630022
    it's pink because Homu Homu is actually Madoka, obviously
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:28 No.46630027
    Sayaka's witch name looks like Sekndorff, I know this is wrong though, as my eyesight is horrible and I haven't eaten today. Someone mind helping me out?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:28 No.46630030
    raw up anywhere yet?
    where's the first place you can generally find it?
    >> Park Ranger !!ZFjTegtxoOw 03/03/11(Thu)12:28 No.46630039
    People still watch this shit? It's worse than Naruto god damn it.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:28 No.46630040
    Wait... who was the big ass witch?

    Wat. I need subs.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:29 No.46630052

    My justification is this: Why would Urobuchi introduce Madoka's family if he wasn't going to kill them off?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:29 No.46630054
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    for the greater good!!
    magicals turn to witch can reverse entropy

    QB is some Cthulhu old gods shit.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:29 No.46630056
    Does she touch herself infront of an audience of stuffed toys?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:29 No.46630060
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    > Audience of dolls/stuffed animals
    This will be the end of the final episode...
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:29 No.46630062

    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:29 No.46630064
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    Meanwhile in Heaven.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:29 No.46630065
    Did anyone else see writing on Homura's neck?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:29 No.46630068
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    If only Mami was alive...

    I miss her as much as Kircheis.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:29 No.46630071

    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:29 No.46630072
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    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:29 No.46630074
    so now have we established first dream is either a precog or the whole thing up to walpurgis night is a flashback?

    also sayaka = ep 1 witch

    do correct me if i'm wrong because i am retarded
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:29 No.46630076
    "Give me a call if you ever feel like dying for the sake of the universe."

    Who wants to die for the sake of universe anyway?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:29 No.46630079
    There were more runes at the very start of the episode.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:29 No.46630090
    So, what did the elevens say about this episode? Can someone go and look?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:30 No.46630103
    Yeah but it's increasing
    d(urobutchery)/dt > 0
    which means no one is save. No one.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:30 No.46630106
    Of course she does. Haven't you watched the trace-version of the OP?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:30 No.46630108
    Magical girls don't go to heaven no matter how hard they pray.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:30 No.46630114
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    As much as I love Kyouko, it was rather selfish of her to self destruct along with Sayaka

    She could have killed Sayaka with Homura and at least waited till Walpurgis Night is over before she killed herself...........
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:30 No.46630115
    Madoka is the one fucking everything up.

    Mami died after becoming BFFs with Madoka.
    Sayaka turned into a witch after Madoka made her mad.
    Kyouko died after becoming friends with Madoka.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:30 No.46630119
    Fuck this last few days were pure shit and now that, damn it. I knew it would happen but still...

    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:30 No.46630122
    >in an Urobuchi work

    nice joke
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:30 No.46630124
    where is sakutarou
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:31 No.46630125
    Madoka confirmed for being crazy already.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:31 No.46630127
    Aw fuck.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:31 No.46630130
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    Meanwhile at the hall of forbidden love...
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:31 No.46630131
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    YFW Madoka called her "Kyouko-chan"
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:31 No.46630134
    Lolreset seems ineveitable at this point. I just hope it happens at the end of the next episode or the one after that so they can actually do something with it, and they don't save it for some bullshit open ending that everyone had predicted from the start of episode one.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:31 No.46630137
    You are retarded

    Sayaka looks nothing like Ep1 witch
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:31 No.46630141

    Madoka is the new Yoko.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:31 No.46630146
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    Kyubey is preventing that old god shit from happening.
    >mfw Kyubey confirmed to be good and haters desperately struggle to deny it
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:31 No.46630147
    Did anybody screencap the runes from the very beginning of the episode?
    Might as well start translating while I wait for raws/subs
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:31 No.46630150
    I think everyone has already accepted this fact. However, for the last episode to simply end with Madoka waking up and saying "It was all a dream?" Really wouldn't make much sense. After all, she did that in the first episode and we saw where it led her...right back into the same situation.

    So...what? Homura is stuck in an infinite loop of hell like Rika from Higurashi?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:32 No.46630161
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    Ladies and Gentlemen.


    Look back to witch Sayaka's first appearance its black and uses trains and swords to combat.

    Now look at the second fight, She is now mermaid knight thing that uses pinwheels to fight.

    1. When fighting the black Sakaya, you can hear her screams, this is not present with the other one.
    2.Sakaya had given up on Kyosuke at this point, yet the next time she was seen, she had shown evidence of clinging on to him. T
    3.Not at one point did Kyoko or Madoka get through to her in the second fight.

    1.As Sakaya was a Mahou shojou to begin with, she was already exponentially powerfull.
    2. As such In a day she dispersed a familiar which gre up at an exponential rate into a witch.
    3. The new witch, although diffrent retained some of Sayakas memories, but not all of them, this is shown by the fact that she is not acknowledging Madoka or Kyoko
    4.The real witch is either hiding, or preparing for walapurgis night.
    5.Walalpurgis night most likly powers witches, For a mahou shoujou witch it can be assumed that MS witches seek to bind themselves with the event thus increasing their own power.

    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:32 No.46630170
    Was anyone else surprised that Homu actually looked... sad about Kyouko? I'm assuming...
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:32 No.46630172

    Here's an idea...

    Homura's room -> Lots of gears.
    Homura's Shield -> Moar gears.
    Ep1 Witch -> Also gears.

    Ep1 witch = alternate timeline Homura.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:32 No.46630173
    thanks for correction. i may need to look again.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:32 No.46630175
    This episode was disappointing. Kyouko's death was the weakest, cheapest ploy I've seen so far this year. What was the purpose of that? For more Yuri-service? Easy tragedy? To get a quick rise out of the fans? That was just bad.

    But, the scene where we see Kamijou under Sayaka's main room was really cool, and I'd love to see QB revelation, since my stream was acting up so bad. Still, this was definitely one of the weakest episodes in the show.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:33 No.46630177
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    so... clockwork witch is a merged version of kyouko and sayaka? The cut of her dress matches kyouko, the color and the veil matches sayaka.

    considering the spiral that makes /u/fags go crazy this may actually make sense.
    >> Some French anon 03/03/11(Thu)12:33 No.46630181
    Hope is dead, I care for none of the charachter left, I barely care for QB true intention. Urobuchi failed us.
    He is a one trick poney after all. I'll still watch to the end, but i'll never pick up anything he authored anymore.
    He'll pull a blassreiter, "oh! they are all dead but she can see them somehow"
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:33 No.46630187
    I noticed that.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:33 No.46630189
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    Like these? Did we figure it out already?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:33 No.46630190
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    >episode 9 finally uploaded to himado
    >site crashes
    >mon fromage quand
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:34 No.46630194
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    von seckendorff might be right
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:34 No.46630202

    Give up on this. Seriously.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:34 No.46630205
    Fuck them to hell.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:34 No.46630207
    Fucking trains.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:34 No.46630209
    > Homura is stuck in an infinite loop of hell like Rika from Higurashi?
    I wouldn't be surprised.

    Though in all likelihood, if that is the case, the iterations aren't identical, and may even be radically different each time (though with certain trends); y'know, chaos theory and the butterfly effect.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:34 No.46630211
    If nothing else, Homura saw Kyoko as a genuine ally. She also made 'that face' back when Mami died.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:34 No.46630213
    >clockwork witch is a merged version of kyouko and sayaka?
    >not homura because he uses time manipulation, travel, and has a clockwork inside her home

    oh shi, homra confirmed for fighting her future self
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:34 No.46630215
    Sayaka's witch name does indeed seem to be Sekndorff. Or, that's what I could make from the runes.
    >> Bitches & !Whores/8sg 03/03/11(Thu)12:34 No.46630221
    which goes back to the idea that homura is a witch that madoka saves, probably at the cost of her life, which is why homura wants to save her
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:34 No.46630223
    It's well recognised that the Dream Punchline is nowadays banned from all forms of respectable media.
    You'd have to be a psycho to try and pull it off seriously. It's insta-death.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:34 No.46630224
    Homura has no one to talk to in her big apartment any more ;__;
    >> Not This Shit Again 03/03/11(Thu)12:35 No.46630226
    Would someone like to explain the concept of entropy, in Layman's terms? I looked at the Wikipedia article "Introduction to entropy" but it didn't help. How does it apply to Kyubey's "greater good" plan for Madoka?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:35 No.46630229

    > so... clockwork witch is a merged version of kyouko and sayaka? The cut of her dress matches kyouko, the color and the veil matches sayaka.

    I would forgive and forget this episode if that happened, AND if they executed it as well as they did Sayaka's transformation in episode 8.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:35 No.46630232
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:35 No.46630240
    Never riding a train again.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:35 No.46630241
    Thanks that's exactly it.
    I didn't remember they were note-runes though. Will need more investigation than expected not that it's a bad thing
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:36 No.46630245
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    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:36 No.46630249
    She didnt have anyone until she teamed up Kyouko either
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:36 No.46630250
    Are there runes around gear witch, or are they just spirals? I couldn't see a translation in the wiki.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:36 No.46630251
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    >QB is teaching entropy
    >searched entropy physicists...

    I should have known Rudolf Clausius is a magical girl...
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:36 No.46630252

    oh my lol
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:36 No.46630253
    Walrus night will be difficult to handle alone...
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    >Let's go to a parallel universe and use the inhabitants' emotions as a power source.
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    I wonder if someone has listened to this guy as a kid...
    >> Some French anon 03/03/11(Thu)12:36 No.46630265
    It's her "fuck, I messed up, AGAIN!" face.

    so in short Homura will be the only one left...
    just great...
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:37 No.46630275

    This, is plausible.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:37 No.46630276

    Stuff is ordered. The order decreases with time. To make things more ordered again, energy is required. Essentially, the tendancy of things to be disordered. I can smash my computer easier, but it would be very difficult to put it back together.
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    Found some more
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:37 No.46630281
    Homura probably saw aspects of herself in Kyouko at that point (the whole willingness-to-sacrifice-herself-in-entirety-for-someone-else). Probably made her start wondering if she'll have to do that with Madoka if Madoka does contract.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:38 No.46630286
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    need all the magical girls she can gather
    >> Torontofag !!EEVN5mg6m41 03/03/11(Thu)12:38 No.46630290

    in the most layman terms possible, entropy is the force that causes things to become chaotic. essentially, everything turns into chaos. In this episode's context, magical girl sacrifices are a source of energy that is harnessed in order to act against the shift towards chaos.
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    >Tell friend she loves her man
    >Friend dies after a few days

    Well, i'm surprise if they handle that without any drama
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:39 No.46630308
    being reminded of herself, trying to save her own waifu and failing?
    >> Bitches & !Whores/8sg 03/03/11(Thu)12:39 No.46630314
    if it is true, then i was right
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:39 No.46630316
    Sayaka is a 'double' witch she had 2 rune names in ep 8 something about music styles in italian
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:40 No.46630319
    himado link plz?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:40 No.46630320
    so ep 1 witch is walpugis, and thats why QB was saying it was too much for one person to fight alone.
    nothing has changed from the past world.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:40 No.46630322
    I can't wait until all that shit Kyuubey said is translated so we can WTF properly.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:40 No.46630324

    I hate to say it, but indeed. But since I can't understand moon speak I'll be judging it based on the fights. I was really hoping Kyouko would fight to her fullest in this ep, but maybe since she was fighting Sayaka, her fights are very half-hearted.

    It was sad, but not on the levels of entertainment that Mami had brought me.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:40 No.46630332
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    work in progress

    The i is just a guess based on context, could be something else. Do we have any other note rune references for i?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:40 No.46630334

    There's no doubt that Kyouko died for nothing, but if this series of events actually happened, and that witch wasn't the real Sayaka, I think I'd come a swimming pool.
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    This has to be posted on the wiki, right now, show it to the elevens and let them go apeshit about us being right again, thank you good sir, you are truly a gentlemen.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:40 No.46630344
    Does anyone have a non-blurry cap of this (with all the characters readable) for the wiki page?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:41 No.46630345
    I'd be amused if Green Mugi turned out to be the mastermind behind all this.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:41 No.46630357
    useable energy in the universe constantly decreases, and all systems fail because of that.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:41 No.46630358
    >explain the concept of entropy

    Entropy is the principle stating that the universe has an innate tendency to go down the gutter. There's no way to reverse it in a closed system other than to introduce energy from elsewhere. QB is apparently trying to patch the universe somehow by using magical girls, of whom despair generate this necessary energy.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:41 No.46630362
    >entropy is the force that causes things to become chaotic
    Isn't it the exact opposite?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:41 No.46630363
    More like when Madoka sacrifices herself, that timeline is saved, but she doesn't exist anymore.

    Homura, in the first timeline, does not become a magical girl until after Madoka's sacrifice, and wishes to go back in time to save Madoka, causing a timeline split.

    So we start off with the original Madoka waking up in the new timeline with only fleeting glimpses of her own memories from the previous timeline, and the original Homura retaining all of her memories and trying to stop Madoka from sacrificing herself.

    The "good end" would be for Madoka to use her power as a magical girl not to bring anyone back, but to rewrite the laws of the universe so that entropy is no longer a threat in time or space, thereby fulfilling both Kyubey's goal and undoing the necessity for her to become a Witch.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:41 No.46630366

    Out now
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:41 No.46630370
    "Ulp, we're getting up to the end, aren't we? I'd best go kill myself."

    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:42 No.46630372
    i is confirmed to be it, I missed the picture of it on the wiki's runes chart
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:42 No.46630378
    Madoka: Re-Take
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:43 No.46630395
    Meh. IS beach episode was better.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:43 No.46630396
    raw fucking where.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:43 No.46630399
    Kyouko dies selfishly, but she's always been the character touting selfishness. It's bitterly beautiful that she dies sacrificing herself to defeat Sayaka.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:43 No.46630402
    Does anyone have links to the episode?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:43 No.46630407
    >he cares about what the elevens think


    I can sort of see where you're coming from, but i think the important aspect that made the fight less emotional than it should have been is Kyouko's intentions weren't properly conveyed.

    I think her sacrifice was half saving Sayaka and half saving herself from becoming a witch eventually, but that wasn't really shown through to the audience visually
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:44 No.46630425


    Probably on TT soon.
    >> AIJOU !dYUUJOUw3k 03/03/11(Thu)12:44 No.46630426
    I hate to say it too, but I kind of agree.

    Right now I'm kind of in a state of "I hope the subs explain this bullshit."

    Kyouko was certainly not acting suicidal the rest of the episode, unless I was missing something huge in my minimal understanding. Yeah, she was close to Sayaka because she identified, but she wasn't THAT close. And the fight didn't look so desperate that she needed to unleash her Vegeta Suicide attack. Maybe I was missing something about her soul gem being close to corruption already? That's one of few things I could see justifying this.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:44 No.46630432
    >implying I wouldn't like toying with a community
    >> Some French anon 03/03/11(Thu)12:44 No.46630433
    Living moving is chaos
    being dead, unmoving is order.
    the univers goes from Chaos to order.
    when everything ids ordered the entropy is at the maximum, and nothing can BE. everything fall apart.
    No energy is left, it crumble.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:45 No.46630448

    Basically, it's the idea that everything in existence is some form of energy, and all of that energy is gradually converting and getting locked into useless forms like heat. Ultimately, that leads to 'heat death'. Google that, see first result, oh-shi moment.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:45 No.46630451

    Slightly off-topic, but speaking of TT/Nyaa...
    >Yuki Kajiura - Full Discography (1993-2011) [MP3]

    >> Some French anon 03/03/11(Thu)12:45 No.46630454
    The chit chat she had with white rat before...was it related maybe?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:45 No.46630455
    Once again Anonymous begins to whine about being right about something.
    "She's going to die, I just know it!"
    She dies.
    "That was dumb. Why did that happen?"
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:45 No.46630456
    >people asking for the raw
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:45 No.46630458
    > rewrite the laws of the universe so that entropy is no longer a threat in time or space
    Congratulations, Madoka just froze the space-time continuum.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:46 No.46630464
    Calling it now: everyone will be dead by the end of the last episode. Homura will have perished, and Madoka will have sacrificed herself for the universe. After the credits roll in episode 12, we'll see a shot of Sayaka's corpse, left in the Kyoko's room. It will blink and then it will end.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:46 No.46630467
    don't know i'm gonna say homy is gear witch madoka turn maho shoujo and transform her into human madoka turns into witch homu then contract to stop meduka from the past why cuz i don't know
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:46 No.46630470
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    More like

    A Knight noble family from the Franks. Check the coat of arms.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:46 No.46630473
    >mfw kyouko "lives" if you catch my drift
    >mfw witch sayaka also lives

    Ok, maybe not kyouko, but I have reason to believe that didn't kill Sayaka. And no, I'm not saying that because I think the witch from episode 1 is Sayaka.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:47 No.46630479
    >Living moving is chaos

    wrong. Living is a state of extremely high order. To maintain that order we constantly have to consume energy, creating disorder in the process. A living being that is in equilibrium is dead.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:47 No.46630484

    Saving the world with the tears of little girls. A true hero.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:47 No.46630491

    Hi, that fag here. Her full name seems to be Oktavia von Seckendorff. This does fit, though.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:47 No.46630492
    >Living moving is chaos
    >being dead, unmoving is order.

    No. A living being, or any similar structure, contains information. That is what "order" means. Entropy is the erosion of that structural information.

    You are somewhat right in identifying the apparant paradox of heat-death -> everything spread out evenly -> "ordered", but no actual information is present in that structure.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:48 No.46630504
    And who the fuck is he, anyways? A composer or something?
    >> AIJOU !dYUUJOUw3k 03/03/11(Thu)12:48 No.46630513
    I think we were hoping for something a little more substantial than a suicide that didn't feel entirely necessary. Like I said, I hope the translation explains things better.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:48 No.46630521
    Someone call /tg/ with their space marines.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:49 No.46630523
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    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:49 No.46630530
    Not just the tears of little girls.

    What about the people who almost commit suicide or other extreme acts of violence? Not only are they being hurt, but their friends, family, and so on...

    In short, QB is basically asking humanity as a whole to just fall into despair and hell so him and his buddies survive.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:49 No.46630537
    Somehow, this might be true, I mean Mahou Shoujou witches are powerfuller than regular witches born from curses, and they do seem to be the deceptive type.
    An example of this would be Episode 3 when mami died, as charlotte only played dead to pull off her cakeworm shit. It was implied that Charlotte was a Mahou shoujou so I wouldn't be suprised.

    Also, anyone think here that in order to change area Witches have to travel via greifseed? I mean they pop out of the sky so it's highly likely. Why else do you think a witch makes familiars? To do thier bidding clearly, otherwise they would work independantly, they can't move so they have thier familiars do it, think about when we first met Kyoko, the familiar was no where near the witch and the Witch Sakaya was nowhere near the place where Sakaya became a witch.
    >> captcha: chloroform dSilic Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:49 No.46630539
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    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:50 No.46630545
    Wait, isn't entropy just useless energy? The second law of thermodynamics says entropy is always constant or increasing, never decreases. In that case, QB wants to introduce more [useful] energy. But what the hell, that only happens in closed systems; the universe isn't a closed system, is it?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:50 No.46630552

    She didn't die trying to save her, or be killed by her, or double-KO, or any other kind of meaningful interaction. She just fought her, decided "Welp, best blow myself up now", and killed herself.
    >> Dr. Pest 03/03/11(Thu)12:50 No.46630555
    He was a poet
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:50 No.46630557
    Hmm, I hope so. Like you said, I just didn't get the part where Kyouko had no reason to live.
    inb4 shipping
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:50 No.46630560
    The universe is a closed system.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:51 No.46630570

    I really think you are looking too much into this.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:51 No.46630577
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    Here's the 40MB LQ flv raw from himado

    I can confirm >>46630491. Sayaka-witch is Oktavia von Seckendorff
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:51 No.46630578
    The universe as a whole is a closed system. This is why heat death is inevitable.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:51 No.46630584
    perhaps QB as a magical superior being has a better understanding of the universe than humans, and can make that shit work
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:51 No.46630592
    It's... a bit complicated, really.

    Entropy is, from a thermodynamic standpoint, the amount of energy not available for work. Things like the electricity a motor wastes due to friction. According to the laws of physics, it can only ever remain equal or increase, so eventually the system breaks down. Another way to look at it is that if you roll a ball, it eventually stops moving, due to friction rendering its energy useless.

    Basically, any subsystem in the universe--computers, planets, galaxies, what have you--are innately chaotic, and entropy is what grinds them down into a stable, impotent state.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:51 No.46630595
    Bluray now! Hope it gets some "upgrades".
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:52 No.46630599
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    How do we stop the entropy?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:52 No.46630603
    Either Urobochi doesn't know that much about thermodynamics, or QB is from another universe and actually draws energy from other universes to sustain his own.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:52 No.46630605
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    Probably because she didn't want to become a witch eventually.

    They could have done a better job conveying that intention
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:52 No.46630610
    didnt kyouko say walpurgid is a single witch, not an event?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:52 No.46630613
    The End of Madokalion. I'm calling it now.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:52 No.46630619
    Nipples and vagina transformation scene.

    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:53 No.46630627
    > And the fight didn't look so desperate that she needed to unleash her Vegeta Suicide attack.
    You must have missed that interview info that stated Kyouko is surprisingly weak defense-wise, and can't take hits very well. Did you not notice how much getting smacked with those wheels wore her down? Basically, Kyouko could only fight a defensive battle for a short period of time, and by the time she realized there was no saving Sayaka, her options had become much more limited. Plus there's that little monologue of hers that will probably shed a lot more light on her decision to self-destruct.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:53 No.46630629
    She tried to save Sayaka, but realized that it was fruitless, and chose to die with her instead. Possibly Kyouko was running low on magical energy, and possibly Kyouko just found something that she cared more about than life itself.

    It did seem a bit forced, but I'm hoping that subs will make it clearer why she chose to do the things she did.
    >> Terui Ryu 03/03/11(Thu)12:53 No.46630632

    heres a raw for people asking,
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:53 No.46630634
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    >mfw love me do
    >> See: SUPER SPECIAL Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:53 No.46630638
    Urobochi's bullshit interpretations of science have always been, well, bullshit.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:54 No.46630670
    does anyone have a screencap of kyouko with untied hair?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:54 No.46630675

    Sayaka was black cause she just transformed and wasn't a full witch yet, thus a body wasn't fully created yet. And there were wheels in the first fight too, if I remember correctly
    Obviously there were trains cause they were in the train stop, if you already managed to forget.
    I really don't think showing Kyouske in her inner barrier was clinging, it's more likely that the barrier was created by Sayaka's memories.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:54 No.46630676
    >dem pocky spears
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:54 No.46630677
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    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:54 No.46630679
    QB: What is a SG? Control. a GS is a dream world built to keep SG under control in order to change a human being into this.
    [holds up a Duracell battery]
    Madoka: No, I don't believe it. It's not possible.
    QB: I didn't say it would be easy, Madoka. I just said it would be the truth.
    >> Not This Shit Again 03/03/11(Thu)12:54 No.46630680
    I think this explanation helped me understand the most. Thanks!
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:55 No.46630688
    > Oktavia
    > Octave
    Musical to the very end...
    >> Some French anon 03/03/11(Thu)12:55 No.46630696
    Strange, I've always been teached that a living being is a metastable state where order(definite shape) is maintained by chaos(destruction)
    The primordial chaos is pure potential with no shape/rule (information).

    At the end everything is pure information with no potential
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:55 No.46630698
    I don't think Gen was involved with that one
    >> AIJOU !dYUUJOUw3k 03/03/11(Thu)12:56 No.46630714
    Well, for the third time, I am waiting for a subbed explanation. I really hope that Monologue clears things up.

    I also kind of wouldn't mind if it were a rational decision to not become a Witch like Sayaka, interweaving some sort "I'm already a zombie" sort of thing.

    But if it's "I want to be with Sayaka", I'll be mad.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:56 No.46630717
    > So...what? Homura is stuck in an infinite loop of hell like Rika from Higurashi?

    What if Homura's wish was to be with Madoka forever? And QB twisted her wish to Endless 8.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:56 No.46630720
    FFFFFFFFF, I woke up late and missed the livestream ;_;
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:57 No.46630742

    Adding to this.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:57 No.46630744
    QB doesn't twist wishes.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:58 No.46630747

    Framerate is a bit off
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:58 No.46630766
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    "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villian."

    Down, your hats gentlemen.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:58 No.46630767
    Or it's fucking magic. Entropy is an aspect of the mundane, miracles are not.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:58 No.46630769
    >I really don't think showing Kyouske in her inner barrier was clinging, it's more likely that the barrier was created by Sayaka's memories.
    I completely agree. Especially in the hallway was showing clips of Sayaka's fragmented memories on the walls.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:59 No.46630774
    Basically QB doesn't want to reverse entropy, he just wants to feed more energy into the system. If you melt a block of ice in your hand the water becomes warmer and your hand becomes colder but the melted water will never spontaneously deposit energy into your hand to reform the ice. Like in a refrigerator, you need to do work and increase entropy elsewhere to accomplish such a thing.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:59 No.46630779
    Knight witch is in a red room full of musicians, they are bein directed by it.

    Blue room (underneath red room) has Kamijou with a violin in his hand, no public at all.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:59 No.46630781

    Re-watching the episode with a cooler head, and I must say..

    I am backing this theory 100% Our girls got bait and switched so hard that it's freaking hilarious.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:59 No.46630783
    it's magic, urobochi doesn't have to explain shit
    >> Wallpaper Guy:Cocaine Pinata. 03/03/11(Thu)12:59 No.46630786
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    >raw is in .flv

    goddamnit, i don't work with .flvs
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:59 No.46630787
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    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:59 No.46630789
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)12:59 No.46630791
    Perhaps human despair creates energy ex nihilo, hence the universe can be sustained and the heat death avoided since magical girls are apparently in part outside the laws of physics, which, well, goes without saying. This also makes the grief seed transfer rather sensible: Since a witch's grief generates energy, a magical girl can drain that energy (or "magical power") from a witch she has killed, cleansing her soul gem (but that doesn't exactly match the visual transfer of "taint") If a magical girl runs out of energy, that isn't a problem either because she becomes a witch and starts generating energy instead, by invoking negative emotions in witch-kissed people. QB pretty much wants to make the universe a perpetual motion machine that runs on tortured human souls.

    being meguca is suffering...
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:00 No.46630801
    >Strange, I've always been teached that a living being is a metastable state where order(definite shape) is maintained by chaos(destruction)

    That's pretty much what it is. You just got it the wrong way around when you first listed it.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:02 No.46630839
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:02 No.46630848
    no info on english wikipedia on von seckendorff. any german fags willing to fill us in?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:02 No.46630854
    Let's clear a few things here.

    In episode 6 and 8, it was revealed only two ends can come to a MS: death or witch. Remember, Sayaka didn't intentionally become a witch, she thought she was just hurrying her death.

    What's left for Kyouko at this point as the only other MS left that discovered this? She tries to find out whether one can reverse the witch process. The answer is a no. She can either continue this futile effort of becoming a witch slowly, or she can go out with a bang.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:02 No.46630856
    >Der König in Thule, "The King in Thule", is a poem by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, written in 1774. It was later used by the poet as a brief passage of his masterwork, the tragedy Faust (Part I, lines 2759-82).

    >The poem attained wide popularity, and was set to music by the following composers:
    >Karl Siegmund von Seckendorff (1782)

    After all this time, finally Faust reference again.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:02 No.46630859
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    >>46630190 here.
    Finally got to watch the episode.

    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:02 No.46630862

    I think she got the whole "Do you want to help that person, or be the one to help that person?" thing, but in reverse. She wished that she would be the one to save Madoka, but she actually just wanted Madoka to be saved.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:04 No.46630899
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    >mfw the demon looks like QB
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:05 No.46630908
    Rewatching the Kyubey lecture, he says that they "found" the power of magical girls. Did the system exist before them, and Kyubey and co merely corrupted it?
    >> Some French anon 03/03/11(Thu)13:05 No.46630910
    My bad, i'm kinda...angry and not accessing right.
    That plus the fact I didn't sleep in 35 hour.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:05 No.46630920
    I don't see why people are complaining about Kyouko's death when we all knew it was coming. It's obvious she has a complex about being human.. Having it confirmed that she was becoming a witch snapped much of her enjoyment in living. So her being able to perform a self-sacrifice isn't that surprising.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:06 No.46630930
    A good way to look at it is this: anything and everything that exists is a chaotic fluctuation in what is otherwise a sterile, orderly sea of nothing.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:06 No.46630942
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    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:07 No.46630973

    It was poorly executed and felt exploitative. Everybody complaining about Kyoko's death knew it was coming, it's how and why it happened that's the problem.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:08 No.46630981
    Well I don't think it helped that Kyoko's father accused her of being a witch when he freaked out.

    Knowing for certain "ya, that's really gonna happen" probably got at her in some ways.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:08 No.46630988
    More like there are fluctuations of Order and Chaos.
    Boltzmann's brain comes to mind as another awesome though experiment.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:08 No.46630991
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:09 No.46631004
    What are you referring exactly? Did SHAFT fuck it up in the execution or Urobuchi with not giving enought info/reason?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:09 No.46631010
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    best girl in the show
    she didnt even visited the boy 'till he came back almost normal. If he were still in hospital I bet she wouldn't confess to him.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:10 No.46631028
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    Slowpoke maybe but what is the kanji next to "Homura" ? Don't remember seeing it in ep8.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:10 No.46631039

    It's mi in Akemi
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:10 No.46631041
    >it's how and why it happened that's the problem.
    And what was wrong with how it happened? Forgive me for not wanting to go over the entirety of this thread right now.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:11 No.46631045
    10:12 QB: Madoka when you make up your mind to become greatest MG and worst Witch, when you are ready to die for this Univers i'll be waiting, just call


    i'll tear this rat motherfucker to pieces, don't care how many spare bodies he has
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:12 No.46631077
    Well, we don't know if she didn't visit him. However, she at the very least didn't know he'd gotten out of the hospital, when of course Sayaka knew.
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    She doesn't even have classmates to wonder where the red headed girl went.
    No teacher will read out her name on the register and wonder why she hasn't come in for a week.
    In the end all she could do was stall for time while Homura helped Madoka escape.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:12 No.46631083
    I still don't get it. I'm saying the why was already entrenched in her character and shown in most episodes she is in. The only problem with the how is how did she know that exploding her soul gem would produce an areas attack, but with her mini soul gem spear last ep, maybe she has experimented with her soul gem more than others.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:12 No.46631088
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    Her fingernail mark is unfaded now.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:12 No.46631092
    Gen did it "for the sake of it" unless there's an everyone dies ending coming which in turn sets the bed for something else. Mami's death made a point, this is just "lol it's funny when they die you will taste my darkness xD".
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:12 No.46631097
    >Bawwww it was done poorly
    >bawwww she better not have done it for Sayaka, >baawww im a dumb crackerrrr

    Wow, look at all the Kyouko whiners....

    2.Anger <---this is where you are
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:13 No.46631109
    I think it's less that the magical girl system existed than did souls. The magical girl system is just a way to create energy from nothing.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:13 No.46631123
    "暁美 ほむら"
    (Akemi Homura)?
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    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:14 No.46631146
    So I guess that for you the life of a schoolgirl is more important than the salvation of the universe, that's quite retarded.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:14 No.46631148
    When magic and science collide, the story begins.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:15 No.46631157
    You do realise wha tyou have just posted has shown me where Madoka is on this scale.
    1.Denial<--Mamis Death
    2.Anger <-- ??
    3.Bargaining<--Episode 8
    5.Acceptance<-- OH SHI-
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:15 No.46631159
    To be honest...I'm more saddened by Sayaka's end. You know did she really deswerve to become this thing? She looked absolutly hideos I mean it could have been worse but that thing was a monster. At least Kyoko still had her humanity
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:15 No.46631169
    His conversation with Homura at the end of the episode was even worse.
    "Of course I knew it wasn't possible to save her. But now with only you left getting Madoka to make a contract will be cake, lol"

    I've tolerated QB's straight talk for the whole series, but that was just de-fucking-testable.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:16 No.46631196
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    That fucker almost looks like QB...
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:16 No.46631199
    Do any of them really deserve it?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:17 No.46631208
    I think it basically went like this in a magical realm full of Kyubei-animals, all with their expressionless, smug faces.

    >"Hi! I'm a scientist and I just proved the universe is dying!"
    >"We're going to die, we must do something!"
    >"Hey guys! I just found this awesome planet with sentient creatures! They can generate the necessary energy to stave off an eventual doom!"
    >"You're awesome! What should we do?"
    >"We make them magical girls and feed their despair to the universe."
    >"Oh that's mean but it can't be helped."

    Cue plan Magical Girl.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:17 No.46631212
    Last episode: Sayaka is angry at Madoka for not also becoming a magical and helping her best friend. Madoka feels bad about this.
    This episode: Madoka sees someone who barely knows Sayaka give her life trying to save her.

    Yep, Kyouko died for no reason and this will totally not effect Madoka's sense of uselessness.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:17 No.46631216
    >he trusts QB


    >You will continue to spiral down and lead to the destruction of the universe if you continue unchecked
    >I'm doing the universe a service, I'm keeping it safe

    Gee, sure is Gurren Lagann in here....
    >> Bitches & !Whores/8sg 03/03/11(Thu)13:17 No.46631223
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    >mfw i also made the sexy commando connection
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:18 No.46631235
    Thanks for clearing things up. I'm excited for next week again.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:18 No.46631238
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    Let's consider QB's reasoning:

    The Universe as a whole is a closed system and will end eventually in heat death. Without breaking Laws of Nature (cue episode 8), the only way to sustain a dying universe is to introduce new energy sources.

    What do Witches do? Their mazes open up new dimensions, which QB can use to syphen off energy to continuing sustaining the Universe. The world lives, laws of nature remain unviolated.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:18 No.46631248
    Did Madoka ask why QB was fine?

    If not, what is she, dense?
    >> Anonymous of Indonesia !!lmP87a0MaEW 03/03/11(Thu)13:19 No.46631265
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    I completely forgot Madoka aired today but I'm sure Kyouko and Sayaka did not make it right, as I had predicted last week?

    If that's true then it's time to take 50 shots.
    >> Some French anon 03/03/11(Thu)13:20 No.46631290
    My chart
    1.Denial<---Madoka(nope, not worthy of being a MC)
    2.Anger <---Kyouko(why? what for? FUUUUUUUUUU)
    3.Bargaining<---Mami(she'll be back, right?please?)
    4.Depression<---Kyubey(he'll never die)
    5.Acceptance<---Sayaka(She kinda got what she was looking for)

    6.irregular<---Homu! (better in doujin than in the show)
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:20 No.46631291
    People don't get what they deserve, they get what ever the Universe deals out.
    Horrible dictators can die happily in their beds, surrounded by loved ones while heroes can die anonymously on the battlefield, hit by a stray bullet.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:20 No.46631297

    Kyouko definitely died, but some people are disputing whether or not she took out Sayaka (Oktavia von Seckendorff) in the process.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:21 No.46631315
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    Also: Sayaka did not kill Kyouko. Kyouko suicided and destroyed both of them.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:21 No.46631319
    Hang on if Kyuubey is what you guys say he is, wouldn't this mean that even if he is killed permanently he would be replaced?

    Perhaps Kyuubey is just one of these enery making shits or one that got sick of going around to other planets with sentient life and dedcied to fuck earth over?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:21 No.46631322
    Technically, they didn't "kill" each other since Sayaka didn't really do much killing...

    More like Kyouko blew herself up and brought Sayaka along for the ride....
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:21 No.46631330
    >He still thinks that Kyubey is evil

    Keep believing that bro, you will be surprised when Kyubey will be finally confirmed as good.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:21 No.46631332
    Dude, you don´t need excuses if you want to get drunk.

    Kyouko-Sayaka death was clear as the sky. even a week ago.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:21 No.46631337
    She said "so you're still alive" to him when he arrived at her window. I think it's a sign that she's become notably blase towards all the strange shit happening around her now.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:21 No.46631346
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    >Every week from now on.
    >> Bitches & !Whores/8sg 03/03/11(Thu)13:21 No.46631347
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    im just going to leave this here
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:22 No.46631354

    Inpatiently waiting for subs of QB long Entrphy speech and hope there are REALY good reasons for sacrificing MG that way and not just easy way out for some vague greater good
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:22 No.46631355
    The brain static made it clear something is up.
    Also, she was in shock over Sayaka becoming a witch so probably forgot all about Kyubey dying.
    >> Anonymous of Indonesia !!lmP87a0MaEW 03/03/11(Thu)13:22 No.46631359

    I see. I wasn't too far off then.

    Meh, this is getting predictable. I expected better, Urobouchi.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:23 No.46631372
    I'm not denying this, nor am i the person you're replying to, but I'm not that certain that Kyouko would have been able to kill Sayaka otherwise.
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    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:23 No.46631387
    "Order," as we know it, is just chaos taking a more orderly form due to entropy. They only fluctuate because certain forms of chaos are, at times, more orderly than others.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:23 No.46631391
    >caps his own posts and post them

    As expected of someone as lowly as a tripfag

    Evil was never an objective idea.

    Kyuubey is an obstacle Madoka and ...well I guess there's only Homura left, need to overcome in order to obtain happiness. Kyuubey is evil in this show
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:23 No.46631397
    Subs fucking where?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:24 No.46631415
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    QB = the overlord from the outer space, confirmed
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:25 No.46631429
    I don't see why she couldn't have just teamed up with Homura.

    I don't think the subs will shed much light on this, this fight scene was really rushed.

    They should have skipped the whole school day thing altogether and have Kyouko fight Sayaka right there at the train station.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:25 No.46631444
    Hahahahaha oh wow, that is one of the most creative fanarts I've seen.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:26 No.46631445
    non facias malum ut inde fiat bonum
    >> Anonymous of Indonesia !!lmP87a0MaEW 03/03/11(Thu)13:26 No.46631450

    Mark my words, Homura is a former Witch.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:26 No.46631460
    > I don't see why she couldn't have just teamed up with Homura.
    She wanted to deal with Sayaka herself. Self-destructing in a suicide attack was her final act of selfishness.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:26 No.46631464
    Now screen cap your own post like the faggot you are.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:27 No.46631477
    Dat's not Tom Brady.
    >> Bitches & !Whores/8sg 03/03/11(Thu)13:27 No.46631482
    >imlpying i didnt just go find them in green-oval
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:27 No.46631483
    >They should have skipped the whole school day thing altogether and have Kyouko fight Sayaka right there at the train station.
    You're forgetting the plan she went in with, however. Also she had to wait to find out if saving her was even possible.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:28 No.46631503
    She wanted to make sure Madoka didn't get hurt.
    Plus it's Kyouko. Self centred last stand suits her style.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:28 No.46631510
    Wouldn't it have been easier just to post a link then
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:28 No.46631511
    Antagonistic, not evil. Two very, very different things.
    >> Anonymous of Indonesia !!lmP87a0MaEW 03/03/11(Thu)13:28 No.46631523
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    Time to catch up with the older threads.

    Well... farewell, Kyouko. I'm a bit sad because I thought that glimpse of relationship she had with Sayaka is one of the more endearing things in this hopeless show. ;_;


    Someone else can do it. I'm not interested this time round.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:29 No.46631535's_demon

    Guys, I've indentified QB!
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:30 No.46631577
    >implying that makes a difference
    >you still capped your own posts

    Thats the thing though, with the preview we got the impression Kyouko was really stubborn about saving Sayaka...and well, she is stubborn about it.

    I don't think she needed QB to tell her it was possible, she would have tried anyway.
    >> Some French anon 03/03/11(Thu)13:31 No.46631580
    To the people thinking QB is not evil, who will benefit from an universe that will not die, if not a certain immortal rat? Surely not a human being, nor even the human race.
    Only him/it will benefit from his grand plan.
    And I've got the feeling is still hiding something worse.
    He may not be the final boss of this show, but he will be the final boss of the franchise.
    >> Bitches & !Whores/8sg 03/03/11(Thu)13:31 No.46631595
    i could have, but then people would have to actually follow the links (the times are several hours apart so are probably in different threads as well)

    and you can also read the post numbers there if you want to see the discussion thread
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:32 No.46631608
    You may enjoy the red and blue swirl.

    Also, I don't think it's a bad thing that we're predicting some things correctly. Nothing wrong with having our ideas be proved right. Also, we kind of predicted every plausible outcome so one of us was bound to be close. There's no way Gen can win.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:32 No.46631631

    Kyouko's death felt unnecessary because, well, it was. It didn't save Sayaka, there's evidence that the witch they fought wasn't the real Sayaka, Kyouko's soul gem looked clean when it was what was the point of her self-sacrificing? Yeah, she was getting closer to Sayaka, but so close that she would choose to kill herself with Sayaka? That smells of Yuri-bait, and it's a cheap way to kill off a character.

    I simply see no point to what she did, aside from getting a reaction from fans. Even if it turns out her death deals with Madoka's development, that just tells me that Kyouko, who spent the past few episodes gaining the audience's sympathy and affection, has now been reduced to a plot device. You don't see a problem with this?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:32 No.46631641
    (hit ctrl+f and search for the link you just posted)
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:33 No.46631648
    So what would be better in that scenario? Team up with Homura? Homura's only strength is her time power and could only be used to help Kyouko avoid Sayaka's attacks, but that would put Madoka at risk.

    Just leave? Sure, that may have been the more rational decision even if ends in the deaths of other innocent people, but Homura is probably the only one who would think that way. Despite Kyouko's introduction, it's a lot harder to watch someone you know kill others and it be your fault then someone you don't.
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    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:33 No.46631668
    so is sayaka/kyouko canon now or what

    i just watched the raw and couldn't understand shit beyond sayaka's body being separated from the witch-soul
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:33 No.46631678
    Having countless replacements doesn't necessarily mean you are immortal. We don't know the true nature of his existence yet and if Homura is to believed, who created him
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:34 No.46631695
    I will wait for the subs myself.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:35 No.46631720

    Here's the problem: You are assuming the sole purpose of Kyouko's sacrifice is to destroy Witch-Sayaka. No, the purpose is to destroy Witch-Sayaka AND to prevent herself from becoming a witch (eventually).
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:35 No.46631722
    >Homu! (better in doujin than in the show)

    Thousand times this.
    >She wanted to make sure Madoka didn't get hurt.

    then don´t fucking bring her into a fucking witche´s lair, goddammit.

    At least give her a whistle, helmet and a flashlight
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:35 No.46631729
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    I believe the correct response is ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:35 No.46631734
    I love those two but you can't return someone's feelings when you're dead.....or got turned into a witch...

    Also Bump Limit

    New Thread
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:35 No.46631740
    >しんぱいするなよ, さやか, ひとりぼっちはさびしいをな

    Is this what Kyouko says before she dies? ;_;
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:35 No.46631744
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    mfw tokyotosho
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:36 No.46631760
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    What are these runes? HLJQWX and things outside the normal 26 letters haven't been eliminated.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:36 No.46631774
    These two seem like possible canidates
    >> Anonymous of Indonesia !!lmP87a0MaEW 03/03/11(Thu)13:36 No.46631777

    You know, Yuki Kajiura has composed a song titled "Maxwell's Demon" for El Cazador de la Bruja.

    Coincidence? I think not.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:36 No.46631778
    Every time QB has revealed something he's also omitted to mention something crucially important about what he's just explained. Do not trust the little fucker.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:36 No.46631782
    Remember QB has a "true form."

    Something else is waiting in the wings.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:37 No.46631789

    translations for those of us who don't speak moonie thanks
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:37 No.46631791
    Episode 7
    >shit can't get any more real
    Episode 8
    >shit can't get any more real
    Episode 9

    How's episode 10 called?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:38 No.46631848
    "good characters are dead so have some crying madoka"
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:38 No.46631850
    I don't trust anyone anymore.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:38 No.46631862
    The action was more important than the result.
    The scene will likely go toward Madoka feeling more and more useless.
    Even after Sayaka asked her to become a magical girl and help her she was still too scared (understandable) and now a person who tried to kill Sayaka is giving her life trying to save her.
    Then you also have Kyoko's character arc, going from "Don't do anything for other people" to trying to save Sayaka and protect Madoka at great cost to herself. She thought her suicide attack would kill Sayaka (since trying to save her had proved fruitless) and if nothing else buy time for Homura to evacuate Madoka.
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    EVERYONE is a plot device plastering a red carpet for Madoka (and sadly enough for Homura)

    The fact that Sayaka´s (soulless) body is safe and sound gives some hopes for revival, but I can´t say I´m happy with that.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:41 No.46631938
    Kyouko's death felt unnecessary because, well, it was. Did it save Sayaka?
    No, but it got rid of her. And a MS's job is to eliminate witches, after all.
    >Did it KIll Sayaka?
    As I mentioned before, it probably did.
    >There's evidence that the witch they fought wasn't the real Sayaka.
    ...What? Now you're just talking nonsense.
    >He soul gem looked all nice and clean when it was shown, so I doubt there was an immediate need for her to kill herself to avoid becoming a witch.
    While that likely is a reason why she suicided, it was obvious that she was also looking for a sort of redemption. I wouldn't so far say that her suicide was self-inflicted punishment right now, but it's been a while. I should really go watch the episode again. Either way, she certainly wanted to see things between her and Sayaka to the end. I'm not even going to touch the shipping possibility of it all.

    >I simply see no point to what she did, aside from getting a reaction from fans.
    That's what deaths do, usually.
    >Even if it turns out her death deals with Madoka's development, it just means that Kyouko, who spent the past few episodes gaining the audience's sympathy and affection, has no been reduced to a plot device. You don't see a problem with this?
    Sure her death was a plot device. Mami's death was a plot device. Hell, Sayaka's death is a plot device. But this isn't something that belittles her, or any of them. That's because they themselves are not plot devices. They all existed in this story for a reason, and died for a reason.
    Kyouko was a character who many of us grew to love. You can't say that that love was unjustified or unfounded just because she isn't here anymore.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:43 No.46632003
    so next episode will have some more words words words and in two episodes homura will die. Last episode will be a mai hime end.

    captcha: love mansigh
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:44 No.46632026
    >I don't think she needed QB to tell her it was possible, she would have tried anyway.
    You're probably right, but that's why she needed Madoka. Did you miss their conversation? She wanted to bring her along in case Sayaka would "wake up" from hearing the sound of her best friend's voice. This wasn't something she could have just done at the station.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:44 No.46632030
    kyouko's death and her delicious childbirthing hips awakened a new fetish
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    >> Anonymous 03/03/11(Thu)13:56 No.46632300
    Personally I'd enjoy some art of WitchSayaka brutally raping Kyouko.
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    Can someone repost the "Yuri Giygas" image from the last thread? As soon as I clicked the thumbnail, the thread died.

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