Befriend Madoka

Die.

>06 days 23 hours 00 minutes 08 seconds
:(
Bye in a week /a/.

why is it piiiinnnkk

>>46629927
Don't forget to watch yer teeth

>mfw this episode wasn't as good as I believed, it was actually shit, slideshow for the first half and totally expected death

Well, good luck next week.

>>46629915

>Befriend Madoka
>Die.

Madoka is Yoko Mk.II

>>46629937

It's just bright purple.

I don't even give a shit about entropy and Kyuubey's true motivation, show ended here for me. There's nothing interesting going on anymore.

>>46629915
So why can't Hitomi die?

>>46629937
It's purple, slightly faint because of the street lights

Are you blind?

now i realize why theres so much enmity between madoka and IS fanbases

>>46629865
Ok, this made me laugh. Nobody knows about the body, and it's in a hotel room.

If the Ginga Bishonen were on this show... maybe Kyouko, Sayaka and Mami wouldn't have died ;_;

>>46629955

It better be.

>>46629951

does she have two penguins? there's one on the far left and one on the shelf above her bed

>>46629937
looks purple to me

Runes
>>46629548 (poster)
>>46629856 (herald; mirrored)

has nobody seen bokurano??
the chairs, the kyubei, the whole universe thing, seriously?

Episode summary?

Reposting observation from a previous thread.

Madoka's first line when she wakes up in Episode 1 is "Yumeochi?" (It was all a dream?)

Yumeochi can also refer specifically to a type of story in which the ending reveals "it was all a dream."

Prepare your butt for loop back to Episode 1 and possible reset end variation.

>>46629981
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lol at IS stream thread

Oh, and just since noone's said it yet...

Being Meguca is Suffering

>Current Urobutchery rate of one character per episode

But the average rate it 1 every three episodes.

Everyone is cool until the final.

is there a raw yet? is there a raw yet? is there a raw yet? is there a raw yet? is there a raw yet? is there a raw yet? is there a raw yet?

>>46629937
it's pink because Homu Homu is actually Madoka, obviously

Sayaka's witch name looks like Sekndorff, I know this is wrong though, as my eyesight is horrible and I haven't eaten today. Someone mind helping me out?

raw up anywhere yet?
where's the first place you can generally find it?

People still watch this shit? It's worse than Naruto god damn it.

Wait... who was the big ass witch?

Wat. I need subs.

CUEBALL SPECULAH

My justification is this: Why would Urobuchi introduce Madoka's family if he wasn't going to kill them off?

for the greater good!!
magicals turn to witch can reverse entropy

QB is some Cthulhu old gods shit.

>>46629951
Does she touch herself infront of an audience of stuffed toys?

>>46629951
> Audience of dolls/stuffed animals
This will be the end of the final episode...

>>46630040

Mami.

Meanwhile in Heaven.

Did anyone else see writing on Homura's neck?

If only Mami was alive...

I miss her as much as Kircheis.

>>46630040

Sayaka.

GIMME A GODDAMN RAW !

so now have we established first dream is either a precog or the whole thing up to walpurgis night is a flashback?

also sayaka = ep 1 witch

do correct me if i'm wrong because i am retarded

QB:
"Give me a call if you ever feel like dying for the sake of the universe."

Who wants to die for the sake of universe anyway?

>>46629997
There were more runes at the very start of the episode.

So, what did the elevens say about this episode? Can someone go and look?

>>46630014
Yeah but it's increasing
d(urobutchery)/dt > 0
which means no one is save. No one.

>>46630056
Of course she does. Haven't you watched the trace-version of the OP?

>>46630064
Magical girls don't go to heaven no matter how hard they pray.

As much as I love Kyouko, it was rather selfish of her to self destruct along with Sayaka

She could have killed Sayaka with Homura and at least waited till Walpurgis Night is over before she killed herself...........

Madoka is the one fucking everything up.

Mami died after becoming BFFs with Madoka.
Sayaka turned into a witch after Madoka made her mad.
Kyouko died after becoming friends with Madoka.

Fuck this shit...my last few days were pure shit and now that, damn it. I knew it would happen but still...

AAAAAAAHHHHHHH KYOOOOOOUUUUUUKOOOOOO WHYYYYYYYYYYYY???????

>>46630064
>Heaven
>in an Urobuchi work

nice joke

>>46629951
where is sakutarou

>>46629951
Madoka confirmed for being crazy already.

>>46630005
Aw fuck.

Meanwhile at the hall of forbidden love...

YFW Madoka called her "Kyouko-chan"

Lolreset seems ineveitable at this point. I just hope it happens at the end of the next episode or the one after that so they can actually do something with it, and they don't save it for some bullshit open ending that everyone had predicted from the start of episode one.

>>46630074
You are retarded

Sayaka looks nothing like Ep1 witch

>>46630115

Madoka is the new Yoko.

>>46630054
Kyubey is preventing that old god shit from happening.
>mfw Kyubey confirmed to be good and haters desperately struggle to deny it

Did anybody screencap the runes from the very beginning of the episode?
Might as well start translating while I wait for raws/subs

>>46630005
I think everyone has already accepted this fact. However, for the last episode to simply end with Madoka waking up and saying "It was all a dream?" Really wouldn't make much sense. After all, she did that in the first episode and we saw where it led her...right back into the same situation.

So...what? Homura is stuck in an infinite loop of hell like Rika from Higurashi?

RUNES!

Ladies and Gentlemen.

WE'VE BEEN HAD.

Look back to witch Sayaka's first appearance its black and uses trains and swords to combat.

Now look at the second fight, She is now mermaid knight thing that uses pinwheels to fight.

1. When fighting the black Sakaya, you can hear her screams, this is not present with the other one.
2.Sakaya had given up on Kyosuke at this point, yet the next time she was seen, she had shown evidence of clinging on to him. T
3.Not at one point did Kyoko or Madoka get through to her in the second fight.

CONCLUSION:
1.As Sakaya was a Mahou shojou to begin with, she was already exponentially powerfull.
2. As such In a day she dispersed a familiar which gre up at an exponential rate into a witch.
3. The new witch, although diffrent retained some of Sayakas memories, but not all of them, this is shown by the fact that she is not acknowledging Madoka or Kyoko
4.The real witch is either hiding, or preparing for walapurgis night.
5.Walalpurgis night most likly powers witches, For a mahou shoujou witch it can be assumed that MS witches seek to bind themselves with the event thus increasing their own power.

IN SHORT WE WERE HAD KYOKO DIED FOR NOTHING AND SAKAYA WILL BE FINAL BOSS.

Was anyone else surprised that Homu actually looked... sad about Kyouko? I'm assuming...

[repasta]

Here's an idea...

Homura's room -> Lots of gears.
Homura's Shield -> Moar gears.
Ep1 Witch -> Also gears.

Ep1 witch = alternate timeline Homura.

>>46630137
thanks for correction. i may need to look again.

This episode was disappointing. Kyouko's death was the weakest, cheapest ploy I've seen so far this year. What was the purpose of that? For more Yuri-service? Easy tragedy? To get a quick rise out of the fans? That was just bad.

But, the scene where we see Kamijou under Sayaka's main room was really cool, and I'd love to see QB revelation, since my stream was acting up so bad. Still, this was definitely one of the weakest episodes in the show.

so... clockwork witch is a merged version of kyouko and sayaka? The cut of her dress matches kyouko, the color and the veil matches sayaka.

considering the spiral that makes /u/fags go crazy this may actually make sense.

Hope is dead, I care for none of the charachter left, I barely care for QB true intention. Urobuchi failed us.
He is a one trick poney after all. I'll still watch to the end, but i'll never pick up anything he authored anymore.
He'll pull a blassreiter, "oh! they are all dead but she can see them somehow"

>>46630170
I noticed that.

>>46630079

Like these? Did we figure it out already?

>episode 9 finally uploaded to himado
>site crashes
>mon fromage quand

>>46630027
von seckendorff might be right

>>46630177

Give up on this. Seriously.

>>46630130
Fuck them to hell.

>>46630114
Fucking trains.

>>46630150
> Homura is stuck in an infinite loop of hell like Rika from Higurashi?
I wouldn't be surprised.

Though in all likelihood, if that is the case, the iterations aren't identical, and may even be radically different each time (though with certain trends); y'know, chaos theory and the butterfly effect.

>>46630170
If nothing else, Homura saw Kyoko as a genuine ally. She also made 'that face' back when Mami died.

>>46630177
>clockwork witch is a merged version of kyouko and sayaka?
>not homura because he uses time manipulation, travel, and has a clockwork inside her home

oh shi, homra confirmed for fighting her future self

Sayaka's witch name does indeed seem to be Sekndorff. Or, that's what I could make from the runes.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Siegmund_von_Seckendorff

>>46630143
which goes back to the idea that homura is a witch that madoka saves, probably at the cost of her life, which is why homura wants to save her

>>46630005
It's well recognised that the Dream Punchline is nowadays banned from all forms of respectable media.
You'd have to be a psycho to try and pull it off seriously. It's insta-death.

Homura has no one to talk to in her big apartment any more ;__;

Would someone like to explain the concept of entropy, in Layman's terms? I looked at the Wikipedia article "Introduction to entropy" but it didn't help. How does it apply to Kyubey's "greater good" plan for Madoka?

>>46630177

> so... clockwork witch is a merged version of kyouko and sayaka? The cut of her dress matches kyouko, the color and the veil matches sayaka.

I would forgive and forget this episode if that happened, AND if they executed it as well as they did Sayaka's transformation in episode 8.

>>46630224
QB

Never riding a train again.

>>46630189
Thanks that's exactly it.
I didn't remember they were note-runes though. Will need more investigation than expected not that it's a bad thing

>>46630224
She didnt have anyone until she teamed up Kyouko either

>>46630177
Are there runes around gear witch, or are they just spirals? I couldn't see a translation in the wiki.

>QB is teaching entropy
>searched entropy physicists...

I should have known Rudolf Clausius is a magical girl...

>>46630213

oh my lol

>>46630170
Walrus night will be difficult to handle alone...

>Let's go to a parallel universe and use the inhabitants' emotions as a power source.
WE DESPAIR BECAUSE WE CARE!

I wonder if someone has listened to this guy as a kid...

>>46630211
It's her "fuck, I messed up, AGAIN!" face.

so in short Homura will be the only one left...
just great...

>>46630167
This....

This, is plausible.

>>46630226

Stuff is ordered. The order decreases with time. To make things more ordered again, energy is required. Essentially, the tendancy of things to be disordered. I can smash my computer easier, but it would be very difficult to put it back together.

>>46629997

Found some more

>>46630170
>>46630187
Homura probably saw aspects of herself in Kyouko at that point (the whole willingness-to-sacrifice-herself-in-entirety-for-someone-else). Probably made her start wondering if she'll have to do that with Madoka if Madoka does contract.

WHERE THE FUCK IS THE RAW GODDAMN IT?

>>46630170
need all the magical girls she can gather

>>46630226

in the most layman terms possible, entropy is the force that causes things to become chaotic. essentially, everything turns into chaos. In this episode's context, magical girl sacrifices are a source of energy that is harnessed in order to act against the shift towards chaos.

>>46630041
>Tell friend she loves her man
>Friend dies after a few days

Well, i'm surprise if they handle that without any drama

>>46630170
being reminded of herself, trying to save her own waifu and failing?

>>46630213
if it is true, then i was right

>>46630167
Sayaka is a 'double' witch she had 2 rune names in ep 8 something about music styles in italian

himado link plz?

so ep 1 witch is walpugis, and thats why QB was saying it was too much for one person to fight alone.
nothing has changed from the past world.

I can't wait until all that shit Kyuubey said is translated so we can WTF properly.

>>46630175

I hate to say it, but indeed. But since I can't understand moon speak I'll be judging it based on the fights. I was really hoping Kyouko would fight to her fullest in this ep, but maybe since she was fighting Sayaka, her fights are very half-hearted.

It was sad, but not on the levels of entertainment that Mami had brought me.

work in progress

The i is just a guess based on context, could be something else. Do we have any other note rune references for i?

>>46630167

There's no doubt that Kyouko died for nothing, but if this series of events actually happened, and that witch wasn't the real Sayaka, I think I'd come a swimming pool.

>>46630167
This has to be posted on the wiki, right now, show it to the elevens and let them go apeshit about us being right again, thank you good sir, you are truly a gentlemen.

>>46630194
Does anyone have a non-blurry cap of this (with all the characters readable) for the wiki page?

>>46630296
I'd be amused if Green Mugi turned out to be the mastermind behind all this.

>>46630226
useable energy in the universe constantly decreases, and all systems fail because of that.

>>46630226
>explain the concept of entropy

Entropy is the principle stating that the universe has an innate tendency to go down the gutter. There's no way to reverse it in a closed system other than to introduce energy from elsewhere. QB is apparently trying to patch the universe somehow by using magical girls, of whom despair generate this necessary energy.

>>46630290
>entropy is the force that causes things to become chaotic
Isn't it the exact opposite?

>>46630150
More like when Madoka sacrifices herself, that timeline is saved, but she doesn't exist anymore.

Homura, in the first timeline, does not become a magical girl until after Madoka's sacrifice, and wishes to go back in time to save Madoka, causing a timeline split.

So we start off with the original Madoka waking up in the new timeline with only fleeting glimpses of her own memories from the previous timeline, and the original Homura retaining all of her memories and trying to stop Madoka from sacrificing herself.

The "good end" would be for Madoka to use her power as a magical girl not to bring anyone back, but to rewrite the laws of the universe so that entropy is no longer a threat in time or space, thereby fulfilling both Kyubey's goal and undoing the necessity for her to become a Witch.

>>46630319

Out now
/40186

"Ulp, we're getting up to the end, aren't we? I'd best go kill myself."

Seriously?

>>46630332
i is confirmed to be it, I missed the picture of it on the wiki's runes chart

Madoka: Re-Take

Meh. IS beach episode was better.

raw fucking where.

>>46630114
Kyouko dies selfishly, but she's always been the character touting selfishness. It's bitterly beautiful that she dies sacrificing herself to defeat Sayaka.

Does anyone have links to the episode?

>>46630335
>he cares about what the elevens think

Heh

>>46630175
I can sort of see where you're coming from, but i think the important aspect that made the fight less emotional than it should have been is Kyouko's intentions weren't properly conveyed.

I think her sacrifice was half saving Sayaka and half saving herself from becoming a witch eventually, but that wasn't really shown through to the audience visually

>>46630396
>>46630402

See
>>46630366

Probably on TT soon.

>>46630324
>>46630175
I hate to say it too, but I kind of agree.

Right now I'm kind of in a state of "I hope the subs explain this bullshit."

Kyouko was certainly not acting suicidal the rest of the episode, unless I was missing something huge in my minimal understanding. Yeah, she was close to Sayaka because she identified, but she wasn't THAT close. And the fight didn't look so desperate that she needed to unleash her Vegeta Suicide attack. Maybe I was missing something about her soul gem being close to corruption already? That's one of few things I could see justifying this.

>>46630407
>implying I wouldn't like toying with a community

>>46630290
Living moving is chaos
being dead, unmoving is order.
the univers goes from Chaos to order.
when everything ids ordered the entropy is at the maximum, and nothing can BE. everything fall apart.
No energy is left, it crumble.

>>46630226

Basically, it's the idea that everything in existence is some form of energy, and all of that energy is gradually converting and getting locked into useless forms like heat. Ultimately, that leads to 'heat death'. Google that, see first result, oh-shi moment.

>>46630425

Slightly off-topic, but speaking of TT/Nyaa...
>Yuki Kajiura - Full Discography (1993-2011) [MP3]

Downloadan

>>46630426
The chit chat she had with white rat before...was it related maybe?

Once again Anonymous begins to whine about being right about something.
"She's going to die, I just know it!"
She dies.
"That was dumb. Why did that happen?"

>people asking for the raw
LOL

>>46630363
> rewrite the laws of the universe so that entropy is no longer a threat in time or space
Congratulations, Madoka just froze the space-time continuum.

Calling it now: everyone will be dead by the end of the last episode. Homura will have perished, and Madoka will have sacrificed herself for the universe. After the credits roll in episode 12, we'll see a shot of Sayaka's corpse, left in the Kyoko's room. It will blink and then it will end.

don't know i'm gonna say homy is gear witch madoka turn maho shoujo and transform her into human madoka turns into witch homu then contract to stop meduka from the past why cuz i don't know

>>46630215
More like
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seckendorff

A Knight noble family from the Franks. Check the coat of arms.

>mfw kyouko "lives" if you catch my drift
>mfw witch sayaka also lives

Ok, maybe not kyouko, but I have reason to believe that didn't kill Sayaka. And no, I'm not saying that because I think the witch from episode 1 is Sayaka.

>>46630433
>Living moving is chaos

wrong. Living is a state of extremely high order. To maintain that order we constantly have to consume energy, creating disorder in the process. A living being that is in equilibrium is dead.

>>46630358

Saving the world with the tears of little girls. A true hero.

>>46630470

Hi, that fag here. Her full name seems to be Oktavia von Seckendorff. This does fit, though.

>>46630433
>Living moving is chaos
>being dead, unmoving is order.

No. A living being, or any similar structure, contains information. That is what "order" means. Entropy is the erosion of that structural information.

You are somewhat right in identifying the apparant paradox of heat-death -> everything spread out evenly -> "ordered", but no actual information is present in that structure.

>>46630215
And who the fuck is he, anyways? A composer or something?

>>46630455
I think we were hoping for something a little more substantial than a suicide that didn't feel entirely necessary. Like I said, I hope the translation explains things better.

Someone call /tg/ with their space marines.

>>46630484
Not just the tears of little girls.

What about the people who almost commit suicide or other extreme acts of violence? Not only are they being hurt, but their friends, family, and so on...

In short, QB is basically asking humanity as a whole to just fall into despair and hell so him and his buddies survive.

>>46630167
Somehow, this might be true, I mean Mahou Shoujou witches are powerfuller than regular witches born from curses, and they do seem to be the deceptive type.
An example of this would be Episode 3 when mami died, as charlotte only played dead to pull off her cakeworm shit. It was implied that Charlotte was a Mahou shoujou so I wouldn't be suprised.

Also, anyone think here that in order to change area Witches have to travel via greifseed? I mean they pop out of the sky so it's highly likely. Why else do you think a witch makes familiars? To do thier bidding clearly, otherwise they would work independantly, they can't move so they have thier familiars do it, think about when we first met Kyoko, the familiar was no where near the witch and the Witch Sakaya was nowhere near the place where Sakaya became a witch.

>>46630521

Wait, isn't entropy just useless energy? The second law of thermodynamics says entropy is always constant or increasing, never decreases. In that case, QB wants to introduce more [useful] energy. But what the hell, that only happens in closed systems; the universe isn't a closed system, is it?

>>46630455

She didn't die trying to save her, or be killed by her, or double-KO, or any other kind of meaningful interaction. She just fought her, decided "Welp, best blow myself up now", and killed herself.

He was a poet

>>46630513
Hmm, I hope so. Like you said, I just didn't get the part where Kyouko had no reason to live.
inb4 shipping

>>46630545
The universe is a closed system.

>>46630167
>>46630537

I really think you are looking too much into this.

Here's the 40MB LQ flv raw from himado

http://www.mediafire.com/?zzovc4dge2h7fyf

I can confirm >>46630491. Sayaka-witch is Oktavia von Seckendorff

>>46630545
The universe as a whole is a closed system. This is why heat death is inevitable.

>>46630545
perhaps QB as a magical superior being has a better understanding of the universe than humans, and can make that shit work

>>46630362
It's... a bit complicated, really.

Entropy is, from a thermodynamic standpoint, the amount of energy not available for work. Things like the electricity a motor wastes due to friction. According to the laws of physics, it can only ever remain equal or increase, so eventually the system breaks down. Another way to look at it is that if you roll a ball, it eventually stops moving, due to friction rendering its energy useless.

Basically, any subsystem in the universe--computers, planets, galaxies, what have you--are innately chaotic, and entropy is what grinds them down into a stable, impotent state.

>>46630523
Bluray now! Hope it gets some "upgrades".

How do we stop the entropy?

>>46630545
Either Urobochi doesn't know that much about thermodynamics, or QB is from another universe and actually draws energy from other universes to sustain his own.

>>46630557

Probably because she didn't want to become a witch eventually.

They could have done a better job conveying that intention

>>46630167
didnt kyouko say walpurgid is a single witch, not an event?

The End of Madokalion. I'm calling it now.

>>46630595
Nipples and vagina transformation scene.

FUCH YEA.

>>46630426
> And the fight didn't look so desperate that she needed to unleash her Vegeta Suicide attack.
You must have missed that interview info that stated Kyouko is surprisingly weak defense-wise, and can't take hits very well. Did you not notice how much getting smacked with those wheels wore her down? Basically, Kyouko could only fight a defensive battle for a short period of time, and by the time she realized there was no saving Sayaka, her options had become much more limited. Plus there's that little monologue of hers that will probably shed a lot more light on her decision to self-destruct.

>>46630552
She tried to save Sayaka, but realized that it was fruitless, and chose to die with her instead. Possibly Kyouko was running low on magical energy, and possibly Kyouko just found something that she cared more about than life itself.

It did seem a bit forced, but I'm hoping that subs will make it clearer why she chose to do the things she did.

http://www.animecrazy.net/mahou-shoujo-madoka-magica-episode-9/


heres a raw for people asking,

>mfw love me do

>>46630603
Urobochi's bullshit interpretations of science have always been, well, bullshit.

does anyone have a screencap of kyouko with untied hair?

>>46630167

Sayaka was black cause she just transformed and wasn't a full witch yet, thus a body wasn't fully created yet. And there were wheels in the first fight too, if I remember correctly
Obviously there were trains cause they were in the train stop, if you already managed to forget.
I really don't think showing Kyouske in her inner barrier was clinging, it's more likely that the barrier was created by Sayaka's memories.

>>46630523
>dem pocky spears

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyFyAqLtHq8

QB: What is a SG? Control. a GS is a dream world built to keep SG under control in order to change a human being into this.
[holds up a Duracell battery]
Madoka: No, I don't believe it. It's not possible.
QB: I didn't say it would be easy, Madoka. I just said it would be the truth.

>>46630358
I think this explanation helped me understand the most. Thanks!

> Oktavia
> Octave
Musical to the very end...

Strange, I've always been teached that a living being is a metastable state where order(definite shape) is maintained by chaos(destruction)
The primordial chaos is pure potential with no shape/rule (information).

At the end everything is pure information with no potential

>>46630638
>See: SUPER SPECIAL
I don't think Gen was involved with that one

>>46630627
Well, for the third time, I am waiting for a subbed explanation. I really hope that Monologue clears things up.

I also kind of wouldn't mind if it were a rational decision to not become a Witch like Sayaka, interweaving some sort "I'm already a zombie" sort of thing.

But if it's "I want to be with Sayaka", I'll be mad.

>>46630150
> So...what? Homura is stuck in an infinite loop of hell like Rika from Higurashi?

What if Homura's wish was to be with Madoka forever? And QB twisted her wish to Endless 8.

FFFFFFFFF, I woke up late and missed the livestream ;_;

>>46630215

Adding to this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_K%C3%B6nig_in_Thule#Reception

>>46630717
QB doesn't twist wishes.

>>46630523

Framerate is a bit off

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DO-VRaqxKI

"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villian."

Down, your hats gentlemen.

>>46630603
Or it's fucking magic. Entropy is an aspect of the mundane, miracles are not.

>>46630675
>I really don't think showing Kyouske in her inner barrier was clinging, it's more likely that the barrier was created by Sayaka's memories.
I completely agree. Especially in the hallway was showing clips of Sayaka's fragmented memories on the walls.

>>46630599
Basically QB doesn't want to reverse entropy, he just wants to feed more energy into the system. If you melt a block of ice in your hand the water becomes warmer and your hand becomes colder but the melted water will never spontaneously deposit energy into your hand to reform the ice. Like in a refrigerator, you need to do work and increase entropy elsewhere to accomplish such a thing.

Knight witch is in a red room full of musicians, they are bein directed by it.

Blue room (underneath red room) has Kamijou with a violin in his hand, no public at all.

>>46630167

Re-watching the episode with a cooler head, and I must say..

I am backing this theory 100% Our girls got bait and switched so hard that it's freaking hilarious.

it's magic, urobochi doesn't have to explain shit

>raw is in .flv

goddamnit, i don't work with .flvs

>>46630742
Oh.

>>46630545
Perhaps human despair creates energy ex nihilo, hence the universe can be sustained and the heat death avoided since magical girls are apparently in part outside the laws of physics, which, well, goes without saying. This also makes the grief seed transfer rather sensible: Since a witch's grief generates energy, a magical girl can drain that energy (or "magical power") from a witch she has killed, cleansing her soul gem (but that doesn't exactly match the visual transfer of "taint") If a magical girl runs out of energy, that isn't a problem either because she becomes a witch and starts generating energy instead, by invoking negative emotions in witch-kissed people. QB pretty much wants to make the universe a perpetual motion machine that runs on tortured human souls.

being meguca is suffering...

>>46630696
>Strange, I've always been teached that a living being is a metastable state where order(definite shape) is maintained by chaos(destruction)

That's pretty much what it is. You just got it the wrong way around when you first listed it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell%27s_demon

no info on english wikipedia on von seckendorff. any german fags willing to fill us in?

Let's clear a few things here.

In episode 6 and 8, it was revealed only two ends can come to a MS: death or witch. Remember, Sayaka didn't intentionally become a witch, she thought she was just hurrying her death.

What's left for Kyouko at this point as the only other MS left that discovered this? She tries to find out whether one can reverse the witch process. The answer is a no. She can either continue this futile effort of becoming a witch slowly, or she can go out with a bang.

>>46630742
>Der König in Thule, "The King in Thule", is a poem by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, written in 1774. It was later used by the poet as a brief passage of his masterwork, the tragedy Faust (Part I, lines 2759-82).

>The poem attained wide popularity, and was set to music by the following composers:
>Karl Siegmund von Seckendorff (1782)

After all this time, finally Faust reference again.

>>46630190 here.
Finally got to watch the episode.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

>>46630717

I think she got the whole "Do you want to help that person, or be the one to help that person?" thing, but in reverse. She wished that she would be the one to save Madoka, but she actually just wanted Madoka to be saved.

>>46630839
>mfw the demon looks like QB

Rewatching the Kyubey lecture, he says that they "found" the power of magical girls. Did the system exist before them, and Kyubey and co merely corrupted it?

>>46630801
My bad, i'm kinda...angry and not accessing right.
That plus the fact I didn't sleep in 35 hour.

I don't see why people are complaining about Kyouko's death when we all knew it was coming. It's obvious she has a complex about being human.. Having it confirmed that she was becoming a witch snapped much of her enjoyment in living. So her being able to perform a self-sacrifice isn't that surprising.

>>46630801
A good way to look at it is this: anything and everything that exists is a chaotic fluctuation in what is otherwise a sterile, orderly sea of nothing.

RIP.

>>46630920

It was poorly executed and felt exploitative. Everybody complaining about Kyoko's death knew it was coming, it's how and why it happened that's the problem.

>>46630920
Well I don't think it helped that Kyoko's father accused her of being a witch when he freaked out.

Knowing for certain "ya, that's really gonna happen" probably got at her in some ways.

>>46630930
More like there are fluctuations of Order and Chaos.
Boltzmann's brain comes to mind as another awesome though experiment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann%27s_brain

>>46630899
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-

>>46630973
What are you referring exactly? Did SHAFT fuck it up in the execution or Urobuchi with not giving enought info/reason?

best girl in the show
she didnt even visited the boy 'till he came back almost normal. If he were still in hospital I bet she wouldn't confess to him.

Slowpoke maybe but what is the kanji next to "Homura" ? Don't remember seeing it in ep8.

>>46631028

It's mi in Akemi

>>46630973
>it's how and why it happened that's the problem.
And what was wrong with how it happened? Forgive me for not wanting to go over the entirety of this thread right now.

10:12 QB: Madoka when you make up your mind to become greatest MG and worst Witch, when you are ready to die for this Univers i'll be waiting, just call

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

i'll tear this rat motherfucker to pieces, don't care how many spare bodies he has

>>46631010
Well, we don't know if she didn't visit him. However, she at the very least didn't know he'd gotten out of the hospital, when of course Sayaka knew.

She doesn't even have classmates to wonder where the red headed girl went.
No teacher will read out her name on the register and wonder why she hasn't come in for a week.
In the end all she could do was stall for time while Homura helped Madoka escape.

>>46630973
I still don't get it. I'm saying the why was already entrenched in her character and shown in most episodes she is in. The only problem with the how is how did she know that exploding her soul gem would produce an areas attack, but with her mini soul gem spear last ep, maybe she has experimented with her soul gem more than others.

Her fingernail mark is unfaded now.

>>46631004
Gen did it "for the sake of it" unless there's an everyone dies ending coming which in turn sets the bed for something else. Mami's death made a point, this is just "lol it's funny when they die you will taste my darkness xD".

>Bawwww it was done poorly
>bawwww she better not have done it for Sayaka, >baawww im a dumb crackerrrr

Wow, look at all the Kyouko whiners....

1.Denial
2.Anger <---this is where you are
3.Bargaining
4.Depression
5.Acceptance

>>46630908
I think it's less that the magical girl system existed than did souls. The magical girl system is just a way to create energy from nothing.

>>46631028
"暁美 ほむら"
(Akemi Homura)?

>>46630766
KEIREI!!!

>>46631045
So I guess that for you the life of a schoolgirl is more important than the salvation of the universe, that's quite retarded.

>>46631109
When magic and science collide, the story begins.

>>46631097
You do realise wha tyou have just posted has shown me where Madoka is on this scale.
1.Denial<--Mamis Death
2.Anger <-- ??
3.Bargaining<--Episode 8
4.Depression<--Today.
5.Acceptance<-- OH SHI-

>>46631079
To be honest...I'm more saddened by Sayaka's end. You know did she really deswerve to become this thing? She looked absolutly hideos I mean it could have been worse but that thing was a monster. At least Kyoko still had her humanity

>>46631045
His conversation with Homura at the end of the episode was even worse.
"Of course I knew it wasn't possible to save her. But now with only you left getting Madoka to make a contract will be cake, lol"

I've tolerated QB's straight talk for the whole series, but that was just de-fucking-testable.

>>46630839

That fucker almost looks like QB...

>>46631159
Do any of them really deserve it?

>>46630908
I think it basically went like this in a magical realm full of Kyubei-animals, all with their expressionless, smug faces.

>"Hi! I'm a scientist and I just proved the universe is dying!"
>"We're going to die, we must do something!"
>"Hey guys! I just found this awesome planet with sentient creatures! They can generate the necessary energy to stave off an eventual doom!"
>"You're awesome! What should we do?"
>"We make them magical girls and feed their despair to the universe."
>"Oh that's mean but it can't be helped."

Cue plan Magical Girl.

Last episode: Sayaka is angry at Madoka for not also becoming a magical and helping her best friend. Madoka feels bad about this.
This episode: Madoka sees someone who barely knows Sayaka give her life trying to save her.

Yep, Kyouko died for no reason and this will totally not effect Madoka's sense of uselessness.

>>46631146
>he trusts QB

laughing_whores.jpg

>You will continue to spiral down and lead to the destruction of the universe if you continue unchecked
>I'm doing the universe a service, I'm keeping it safe
>NOPE, WE'RE GONNA BEAT YOU BECAUSE WE ARE THE MAIN CHARACTERS

Gee, sure is Gurren Lagann in here....

>>46630634
>mfw i also made the sexy commando connection

>>46631212
Thanks for clearing things up. I'm excited for next week again.

Let's consider QB's reasoning:

The Universe as a whole is a closed system and will end eventually in heat death. Without breaking Laws of Nature (cue episode 8), the only way to sustain a dying universe is to introduce new energy sources.

What do Witches do? Their mazes open up new dimensions, which QB can use to syphen off energy to continuing sustaining the Universe. The world lives, laws of nature remain unviolated.

Did Madoka ask why QB was fine?

If not, what is she, dense?

I completely forgot Madoka aired today but I'm sure Kyouko and Sayaka did not make it right, as I had predicted last week?

If that's true then it's time to take 50 shots.

>>46631157
My chart
1.Denial<---Madoka(nope, not worthy of being a MC)
2.Anger <---Kyouko(why? what for? FUUUUUUUUUU)
3.Bargaining<---Mami(she'll be back, right?please?)
4.Depression<---Kyubey(he'll never die)
5.Acceptance<---Sayaka(She kinda got what she was looking for)

6.irregular<---Homu! (better in doujin than in the show)

>>46631159
People don't get what they deserve, they get what ever the Universe deals out.
Horrible dictators can die happily in their beds, surrounded by loved ones while heroes can die anonymously on the battlefield, hit by a stray bullet.

>>46631265

Kyouko definitely died, but some people are disputing whether or not she took out Sayaka (Oktavia von Seckendorff) in the process.

>>46631265
see
>>46629219

Also: Sayaka did not kill Kyouko. Kyouko suicided and destroyed both of them.

>>46631238
Hang on if Kyuubey is what you guys say he is, wouldn't this mean that even if he is killed permanently he would be replaced?

Perhaps Kyuubey is just one of these enery making shits or one that got sick of going around to other planets with sentient life and dedcied to fuck earth over?

>>46631265
Technically, they didn't "kill" each other since Sayaka didn't really do much killing...

More like Kyouko blew herself up and brought Sayaka along for the ride....

>>46631216
>He still thinks that Kyubey is evil

Keep believing that bro, you will be surprised when Kyubey will be finally confirmed as good.

>>46631265
Dude, you don´t need excuses if you want to get drunk.

Kyouko-Sayaka death was clear as the sky. even a week ago.

>>46631248
She said "so you're still alive" to him when he arrived at her window. I think it's a sign that she's become notably blase towards all the strange shit happening around her now.

>>46631265
>Every week from now on.

im just going to leave this here

>>46631146

Inpatiently waiting for subs of QB long Entrphy speech and hope there are REALY good reasons for sacrificing MG that way and not just easy way out for some vague greater good

>>46631248
The brain static made it clear something is up.
Also, she was in shock over Sayaka becoming a witch so probably forgot all about Kyubey dying.

>>46631322
>>46631315

I see. I wasn't too far off then.

Meh, this is getting predictable. I expected better, Urobouchi.

>>46631322
I'm not denying this, nor am i the person you're replying to, but I'm not that certain that Kyouko would have been able to kill Sayaka otherwise.

>>46630988
"Order," as we know it, is just chaos taking a more orderly form due to entropy. They only fluctuate because certain forms of chaos are, at times, more orderly than others.

>>46631347
>caps his own posts and post them

As expected of someone as lowly as a tripfag

>>46631330
Evil was never an objective idea.

Kyuubey is an obstacle Madoka and ...well I guess there's only Homura left, need to overcome in order to obtain happiness. Kyuubey is evil in this show

Subs fucking where?

QB = the overlord from the outer space, confirmed

>>46631372
I don't see why she couldn't have just teamed up with Homura.

I don't think the subs will shed much light on this, this fight scene was really rushed.

They should have skipped the whole school day thing altogether and have Kyouko fight Sayaka right there at the train station.

>>46631377
Hahahahaha oh wow, that is one of the most creative fanarts I've seen.

>>46631330
non facias malum ut inde fiat bonum

>>46631347

Mark my words, Homura is a former Witch.

>>46631429
> I don't see why she couldn't have just teamed up with Homura.
She wanted to deal with Sayaka herself. Self-destructing in a suicide attack was her final act of selfishness.

>>46631450
Now screen cap your own post like the faggot you are.

>>46631415
Dat's not Tom Brady.

>>46631391
>imlpying i didnt just go find them in green-oval

>>46631429
>They should have skipped the whole school day thing altogether and have Kyouko fight Sayaka right there at the train station.
You're forgetting the plan she went in with, however. Also she had to wait to find out if saving her was even possible.

>>46631429
She wanted to make sure Madoka didn't get hurt.
Plus it's Kyouko. Self centred last stand suits her style.

>>46631482
Wouldn't it have been easier just to post a link then

>>46631391
Antagonistic, not evil. Two very, very different things.

Time to catch up with the older threads.

Well... farewell, Kyouko. I'm a bit sad because I thought that glimpse of relationship she had with Sayaka is one of the more endearing things in this hopeless show. ;_;


>>46631464

Someone else can do it. I'm not interested this time round.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell's_demon

Guys, I've indentified QB!

>>46631482
>implying that makes a difference
>you still capped your own posts

>>46631483
Thats the thing though, with the preview we got the impression Kyouko was really stubborn about saving Sayaka...and well, she is stubborn about it.

I don't think she needed QB to tell her it was possible, she would have tried anyway.

To the people thinking QB is not evil, who will benefit from an universe that will not die, if not a certain immortal rat? Surely not a human being, nor even the human race.
Only him/it will benefit from his grand plan.
And I've got the feeling is still hiding something worse.
He may not be the final boss of this show, but he will be the final boss of the franchise.

>>46631510
i could have, but then people would have to actually follow the links (the times are several hours apart so are probably in different threads as well)

and you can also read the post numbers there if you want to see the discussion thread

>>46631523
You may enjoy the red and blue swirl.

Also, I don't think it's a bad thing that we're predicting some things correctly. Nothing wrong with having our ideas be proved right. Also, we kind of predicted every plausible outcome so one of us was bound to be close. There's no way Gen can win.

>>46631004
>>46631041

Kyouko's death felt unnecessary because, well, it was. It didn't save Sayaka, there's evidence that the witch they fought wasn't the real Sayaka, Kyouko's soul gem looked clean when it was shown...so what was the point of her self-sacrificing? Yeah, she was getting closer to Sayaka, but so close that she would choose to kill herself with Sayaka? That smells of Yuri-bait, and it's a cheap way to kill off a character.


I simply see no point to what she did, aside from getting a reaction from fans. Even if it turns out her death deals with Madoka's development, that just tells me that Kyouko, who spent the past few episodes gaining the audience's sympathy and affection, has now been reduced to a plot device. You don't see a problem with this?

>>46631535
(hit ctrl+f and search for the link you just posted)

>>46631476
So what would be better in that scenario? Team up with Homura? Homura's only strength is her time power and could only be used to help Kyouko avoid Sayaka's attacks, but that would put Madoka at risk.

Just leave? Sure, that may have been the more rational decision even if ends in the deaths of other innocent people, but Homura is probably the only one who would think that way. Despite Kyouko's introduction, it's a lot harder to watch someone you know kill others and it be your fault then someone you don't.

>>46631535
>>46631535
>>46631535
>>46631535
>>46631535
GOD DAMN IT

so is sayaka/kyouko canon now or what

i just watched the raw and couldn't understand shit beyond sayaka's body being separated from the witch-soul

>>46631580
Having countless replacements doesn't necessarily mean you are immortal. We don't know the true nature of his existence yet and if Homura is to believed, who created him

I will wait for the subs myself.

>>46631631

Here's the problem: You are assuming the sole purpose of Kyouko's sacrifice is to destroy Witch-Sayaka. No, the purpose is to destroy Witch-Sayaka AND to prevent herself from becoming a witch (eventually).

>>46631290
>Homu! (better in doujin than in the show)

Thousand times this.
>>46631503
>She wanted to make sure Madoka didn't get hurt.

then don´t fucking bring her into a fucking witche´s lair, goddammit.

At least give her a whistle, helmet and a flashlight

>>46631146
>>46631238
I believe the correct response is ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER

>>46631668
I love those two but you can't return someone's feelings when you're dead.....or got turned into a witch...

Also Bump Limit

>>46631705
>>46631705
>>46631705
>>46631705
>>46631705
>>46631705
New Thread

>しんぱいするなよ, さやか, ひとりぼっちはさびしいをな

Is this what Kyouko says before she dies? ;_;

mfw tokyotosho

What are these runes? HLJQWX and things outside the normal 26 letters haven't been eliminated.

>>46631678
These two seem like possible canidates
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koschei
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan

>>46631535

You know, Yuki Kajiura has composed a song titled "Maxwell's Demon" for El Cazador de la Bruja.

Coincidence? I think not.

Every time QB has revealed something he's also omitted to mention something crucially important about what he's just explained. Do not trust the little fucker.

Remember QB has a "true form."

Something else is waiting in the wings.

>>46631740

translations for those of us who don't speak moonie thanks

Episode 7
>shit can't get any more real
Episode 8
>JESUS CHRIST
>shit can't get any more real
Episode 9
>HOLY FUCKING SHIT

How's episode 10 called?

>>46631791
"good characters are dead so have some crying madoka"

>>46631791
I don't trust anyone anymore.

>>46631631
The action was more important than the result.
The scene will likely go toward Madoka feeling more and more useless.
Even after Sayaka asked her to become a magical girl and help her she was still too scared (understandable) and now a person who tried to kill Sayaka is giving her life trying to save her.
Then you also have Kyoko's character arc, going from "Don't do anything for other people" to trying to save Sayaka and protect Madoka at great cost to herself. She thought her suicide attack would kill Sayaka (since trying to save her had proved fruitless) and if nothing else buy time for Homura to evacuate Madoka.

>>46631631
EVERYONE is a plot device plastering a red carpet for Madoka (and sadly enough for Homura)

The fact that Sayaka´s (soulless) body is safe and sound gives some hopes for revival, but I can´t say I´m happy with that.

>>46631476
Kyouko's death felt unnecessary because, well, it was. Did it save Sayaka?
No, but it got rid of her. And a MS's job is to eliminate witches, after all.
>Did it KIll Sayaka?
As I mentioned before, it probably did.
>There's evidence that the witch they fought wasn't the real Sayaka.
...What? Now you're just talking nonsense.
>He soul gem looked all nice and clean when it was shown, so I doubt there was an immediate need for her to kill herself to avoid becoming a witch.
While that likely is a reason why she suicided, it was obvious that she was also looking for a sort of redemption. I wouldn't so far say that her suicide was self-inflicted punishment right now, but it's been a while. I should really go watch the episode again. Either way, she certainly wanted to see things between her and Sayaka to the end. I'm not even going to touch the shipping possibility of it all.

>I simply see no point to what she did, aside from getting a reaction from fans.
That's what deaths do, usually.
>Even if it turns out her death deals with Madoka's development, it just means that Kyouko, who spent the past few episodes gaining the audience's sympathy and affection, has no been reduced to a plot device. You don't see a problem with this?
Sure her death was a plot device. Mami's death was a plot device. Hell, Sayaka's death is a plot device. But this isn't something that belittles her, or any of them. That's because they themselves are not plot devices. They all existed in this story for a reason, and died for a reason.
Kyouko was a character who many of us grew to love. You can't say that that love was unjustified or unfounded just because she isn't here anymore.

>>46631870
so next episode will have some more words words words and in two episodes homura will die. Last episode will be a mai hime end.

captcha: love mansigh

>>46631577
>I don't think she needed QB to tell her it was possible, she would have tried anyway.
You're probably right, but that's why she needed Madoka. Did you miss their conversation? She wanted to bring her along in case Sayaka would "wake up" from hearing the sound of her best friend's voice. This wasn't something she could have just done at the station.

kyouko's death and her delicious childbirthing hips awakened a new fetish

>>46631744

Personally I'd enjoy some art of WitchSayaka brutally raping Kyouko.

Can someone repost the "Yuri Giygas" image from the last thread? As soon as I clicked the thumbnail, the thread died.